2011 Golden Raspberry Awards nominees - Never Forgotten: a Foster's Home Community

Ccook50 · 01-24-2011, 03:28 AM

Here's who's up for a Razzie this year:

Worst Picture:
The Bounty Hunter
The Last Airbender
Sex And The City 2
Twilight Saga: Eclipse
Vampires Suck

Worst Actor:
Jack Black (Gulliver's Travels)
Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter)
Ashton Kutcher (Killers and Valentine's Day)
Taylor Lautner (Twilight Saga: Eclipse and Valentine's Day)
Robert Pattinson (Remember Me and Twilight Saga: Eclipse)

Worst Actress:
Jennifer Aniston (The Bounty Hunter and The Switch)
Miley Cyrus (The Last Song)
The Four "Gal Pals" (Sarah Jessica Parker, Kim Cattrall, Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon, Sex And The City 2)
Megan Fox (Jonah Hex)
Kristin Stewart (Twilight Saga: Eclipse)

Worst Supporting Actor:
Billy Ray Cyrus (The Spy Next Door)
George Lopez (Marmaduke, The Spy Next Door and Valentine's Day)
Dev Patel (The Last Airbender)
Jackson Rathbone (The Last Airbender and Twilight Saga: Eclipse)
Rob Schneider (Grown Ups)

Worst Supporting Actress:
Jessica Alba (The Killer Inside Me, Little Fockers, Machete and Valentine's Day)
Cher (Burlesque)
Liza Minnelli (Sex And The City 2)
Nicola Peltz (The Last Airbender)
Barbra Streisand (Little Fockers)

Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use Of 3-D:
Cats And Dogs 2: Revenge Of Kitty Galore
Clash Of The Titans
The Last Airbender
The Nutcracker In 3-D
Saw VII

Worst Screen Couple/Screen Ensemble:
Jennifer Aniston and Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter)
Josh Brolin's face and Megan Fox's accent (Jonah Hex)
The entire cast of The Last Airbender
The entire cast of Sex And The City 2
The entire cast of Twilight Saga: Eclipse

Worst Director:
Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer (Vampires Suck)
Michael Patrick King (Sex And The City 2)
M. Night Shyamalan (The Last Airbender)
David Slade (Twilight Saga: Eclipse)
Sylvester Stallone (The Expendables)

Worst Screenplay:
The Last Airbender, M. Night Shyamalan
Little Fockers, John Hamburg and Larry Stuckey
Sex And The City 2, Michael Patrick King
Twilight Saga: Eclipse, Melissa Rosenberg
Vampires Suck, Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer

Worst Prequel, Rip-Off, Remake or Sequel:
Clash Of The Titans
The Last Airbender
Sex And The City 2
Twilight Saga: Eclipse
Vampires Suck

"Winners" to be announced the night prior to the "other awards show."

frankie_fan · 01-24-2011, 01:11 PM

I've already made my predictions!

Worst Picture:
The Bounty Hunter
The Last Airbender
Sex And The City 2
Twilight Saga: Eclipse
Vampires Suck

Worst Actor:
Jack Black (Gulliver's Travels)
Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter)
Ashton Kutcher (Killers and Valentine's Day)
Taylor Lautner (Twilight Saga: Eclipse and Valentine's Day)
Robert Pattinson (Remember Me and Twilight Saga: Eclipse)

Worst Actress:
Jennifer Aniston (The Bounty Hunter and The Switch)
Miley Cyrus (The Last Song)
The Four "Gal Pals" (Sarah Jessica Parker, Kim Cattrall, Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon, Sex And The City 2)
Megan Fox (Jonah Hex)
Kristin Stewart (Twilight Saga: Eclipse)

Worst Supporting Actor:
Billy Ray Cyrus (The Spy Next Door)
George Lopez (Marmaduke, The Spy Next Door and Valentine's Day)
Dev Patel (The Last Airbender)
Jackson Rathbone (The Last Airbender and Twilight Saga: Eclipse)
Rob Schneider (Grown Ups)

Worst Supporting Actress:
Jessica Alba (The Killer Inside Me, Little Fockers, Machete and Valentine's Day)
Cher (Burlesque)
Liza Minnelli (Sex And The City 2)
Nicola Peltz (The Last Airbender)
Barbra Streisand (Little Fockers)

Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use Of 3-D:
Cats And Dogs 2: Revenge Of Kitty Galore
Clash Of The Titans
The Last Airbender
The Nutcracker In 3-D
Saw VII

Worst Screen Couple/Screen Ensemble:
Jennifer Aniston and Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter)
Josh Brolin's face and Megan Fox's accent (Jonah Hex)
The entire cast of The Last Airbender
The entire cast of Sex And The City 2
The entire cast of Twilight Saga: Eclipse

Worst Director:
Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer (Vampires Suck)
Michael Patrick King (Sex And The City 2)
M. Night Shyamalan (The Last Airbender)
David Slade (Twilight Saga: Eclipse)
Sylvester Stallone (The Expendables)

Worst Screenplay:
The Last Airbender, M. Night Shyamalan
Little Fockers, John Hamburg and Larry Stuckey
Sex And The City 2, Michael Patrick King
Twilight Saga: Eclipse, Melissa Rosenberg
Vampires Suck, Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer

Worst Prequel, Rip-Off, Remake or Sequel:
Clash Of The Titans
The Last Airbender
Sex And The City 2
Twilight Saga: Eclipse
Vampires Suck

I swear, if Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer don't win this year, nothing's gonna save us!

taranchula · 01-24-2011, 05:27 PM

My predictions:

Worst Picture:
The Bounty Hunter
The Last Airbender
Sex And The City 2
Twilight Saga: Eclipse
Vampires Suck

Loser: The Last Airbender, this movie made the common mistake that a lot of television to silver screen adaptions make, trying to condense an entire season worth of stories into a couple of hours. The end result is a poorly paced mess that not only the die hard fans of the source material were disappointed in, but also the average film goer as well.

Worst Actor:
Jack Black (Gulliver's Travels)
Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter)
Ashton Kutcher (Killers and Valentine's Day)
Taylor Lautner (Twilight Saga: Eclipse and Valentine's Day)
Robert Pattinson (Remember Me and Twilight Saga: Eclipse)

Loser: Eh, pretty much the very definition of a "pick em" as I can see anyone of these people walking away with this award.
I'll go with Jack Black, just on the slim hope he'll actually show up for award in person.

Worst Actress:
Jennifer Aniston (The Bounty Hunter and The Switch)
Miley Cyrus (The Last Song)
The Four "Gal Pals" (Sarah Jessica Parker, Kim Cattrall, Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon, Sex And The City 2)
Megan Fox (Jonah Hex)
Kristin Stewart (Twilight Saga: Eclipse)

The Loser: Kristin "Emotions are for losers" Stewart.

Worst Supporting Actor:
Billy Ray Cyrus (The Spy Next Door)
George Lopez (Marmaduke, The Spy Next Door and Valentine's Day)
Dev Patel (The Last Airbender)
Jackson Rathbone (The Last Airbender and Twilight Saga: Eclipse)
Rob Schneider (Grown Ups)

The Loser: Um...again anyone could take this catagory, but I'll have to go with Rathbone, the one-two punch of Twilight and Last Airbender puts him over the top.

Worst Supporting Actress:
Jessica Alba (The Killer Inside Me, Little Fockers, Machete and Valentine's Day)
Cher (Burlesque)
Liza Minnelli (Sex And The City 2)
Nicola Peltz (The Last Airbender)
Barbra Streisand (Little Fockers)

The Loser: There are 4 good reasons why Jessica Alba, should take this one...

Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use Of 3-D:
Cats And Dogs 2: Revenge Of Kitty Galore
Clash Of The Titans
The Last Airbender
The Nutcracker In 3-D
Saw VII

The Loser: This one might be a tie between Airbender and Clash of The Titans, only for the simple reason is that both films were never meant to be 3-D films and had the gimmick thrust upon them at the last second, making both films blurry unfocused messes.

Worst Screen Couple/Screen Ensemble:
Jennifer Aniston and Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter)
Josh Brolin's face and Megan Fox's accent (Jonah Hex)
The entire cast of The Last Airbender
The entire cast of Sex And The City 2
The entire cast of Twilight Saga: Eclipse

The Losers: Airbender takes this one again, there were so many "I'M ACTING!" moments in that film it's not funny.

Worst Director:
Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer (Vampires Suck)
Michael Patrick King (Sex And The City 2)
M. Night Shyamalan (The Last Airbender)
David Slade (Twilight Saga: Eclipse)
Sylvester Stallone (The Expendables)

Worst Screenplay:
The Last Airbender, M. Night Shyamalan
Little Fockers, John Hamburg and Larry Stuckey
Sex And The City 2, Michael Patrick King
Twilight Saga: Eclipse, Melissa Rosenberg
Vampires Suck, Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer

Worst Prequel, Rip-Off, Remake or Sequel:
Clash Of The Titans
The Last Airbender
Sex And The City 2
Twilight Saga: Eclipse
Vampires Suck

The Loser: Sham-a-lam-a-ding-dong takes all three of these categories, for writing and directing a film that rivals "The Happening" for sheer over the top cheesiness.

taranchula · 02-26-2011, 08:16 PM

And here are ze results:

Worst Picture: The Last Airbender

Worst Director: M. Night Shyamalan, The Last Airbender

Worst Actor: Ashton Kutcher, Killers and Valentine�s Day

Worst Actress: Sarah Jessica Parker, Kim Cattrall, Kristin Davis, and Cynthia Nixon, Sex and the City 2

Worst Supporting Actor: Jackson Rathbone, The Last Airbender and The Twilight Saga: Eclipse

Worst Supporting Actress: Jessica Alba, The Killer Inside Me, Little Fockers, Machete, and Valentine�s Day

Worst Eye-Gouging Misuse of 3-D: The Last Airbender

Worst Screen Couple / Worst Screen Ensemble: The entire cast of Sex and the City 2

Worst Screenplay: M. Night Shyamalan, The Last Airbender

Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-off or Sequel: Sex and the City 2

frankie_fan · 02-26-2011, 09:40 PM

And STILL not ONE DAMN AWARD for Friedberg and Seltzer!

If I ever run into these two, I swear I'm gonna punch them to death!!

taranchula · 02-27-2011, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankie_fan

And STILL not ONE DAMN AWARD for Friedberg and Seltzer!

If I ever run into these two, I swear I'm gonna punch them to death!!

Eh, those two hacks are totally not worth the effort. IMO.

Another Castle · 02-28-2011, 09:22 PM

I was thinking that!
This pair make consistanly make excedingly horrible films. Yet they have never won a Razzie! What's going on there?
Do a jury decide who wins?
Aren't F&S bored of making such sloppy unfunny films? I wonder what they think of the feedback they have gotten.....

On a lighter note, did anyone accept their award in person?

Ccook50 · 03-01-2011, 02:27 AM

Hadn't heard. The last person to accept a Razzie in person (to what I know) was Halle Berry for Catwoman in 2005.

taranchula · 03-01-2011, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ccook50

Hadn't heard. The last person to accept a Razzie in person (to what I know) was Halle Berry for Catwoman in 2005.

Sandra Bullock accepted her Razzie award for "All About Steve" in person last year, then she went on to win best actress Oscar for "The Bind Side" the following evening.

Ccook50 · 03-01-2011, 12:40 PM

That's right. I do stand corrected. (Been wrapped up in so much personal detail and such that I forgot).

01-24-2011, 03:28 AM	#1
Ccook50 Foster's Legend Don't forget to turn left at Greenland Join Date: May 2007 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 510	2011 Golden Raspberry Awards nominees Here's who's up for a Razzie this year: Worst Picture: The Bounty Hunter The Last Airbender Sex And The City 2 Twilight Saga: Eclipse Vampires Suck Worst Actor: Jack Black (Gulliver's Travels) Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter) Ashton Kutcher (Killers and Valentine's Day) Taylor Lautner (Twilight Saga: Eclipse and Valentine's Day) Robert Pattinson (Remember Me and Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Worst Actress: Jennifer Aniston (The Bounty Hunter and The Switch) Miley Cyrus (The Last Song) The Four "Gal Pals" (Sarah Jessica Parker, Kim Cattrall, Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon, Sex And The City 2) Megan Fox (Jonah Hex) Kristin Stewart (Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Worst Supporting Actor: Billy Ray Cyrus (The Spy Next Door) George Lopez (Marmaduke, The Spy Next Door and Valentine's Day) Dev Patel (The Last Airbender) Jackson Rathbone (The Last Airbender and Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Rob Schneider (Grown Ups) Worst Supporting Actress: Jessica Alba (The Killer Inside Me, Little Fockers, Machete and Valentine's Day) Cher (Burlesque) Liza Minnelli (Sex And The City 2) Nicola Peltz (The Last Airbender) Barbra Streisand (Little Fockers) Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use Of 3-D: Cats And Dogs 2: Revenge Of Kitty Galore Clash Of The Titans The Last Airbender The Nutcracker In 3-D Saw VII Worst Screen Couple/Screen Ensemble: Jennifer Aniston and Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter) Josh Brolin's face and Megan Fox's accent (Jonah Hex) The entire cast of The Last Airbender The entire cast of Sex And The City 2 The entire cast of Twilight Saga: Eclipse Worst Director: Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer (Vampires Suck) Michael Patrick King (Sex And The City 2) M. Night Shyamalan (The Last Airbender) David Slade (Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Sylvester Stallone (The Expendables) Worst Screenplay: The Last Airbender, M. Night Shyamalan Little Fockers, John Hamburg and Larry Stuckey Sex And The City 2, Michael Patrick King Twilight Saga: Eclipse, Melissa Rosenberg Vampires Suck, Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer Worst Prequel, Rip-Off, Remake or Sequel: Clash Of The Titans The Last Airbender Sex And The City 2 Twilight Saga: Eclipse Vampires Suck "Winners" to be announced the night prior to the "other awards show." __________________ "God forgot to make stupidity painful." --Ivan Stang (Church of the SubGenius) Last edited by Ccook50; 01-24-2011 at 05:50 AM.

01-24-2011, 01:11 PM	#2
frankie_fan Resident Movie Buff But that's another show Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I come from the land down under Posts: 1,078	I've already made my predictions! Worst Picture: The Bounty Hunter The Last Airbender Sex And The City 2 Twilight Saga: Eclipse Vampires Suck Worst Actor: Jack Black (Gulliver's Travels) Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter) Ashton Kutcher (Killers and Valentine's Day) Taylor Lautner (Twilight Saga: Eclipse and Valentine's Day) Robert Pattinson (Remember Me and Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Worst Actress: Jennifer Aniston (The Bounty Hunter and The Switch) Miley Cyrus (The Last Song) The Four "Gal Pals" (Sarah Jessica Parker, Kim Cattrall, Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon, Sex And The City 2) Megan Fox (Jonah Hex) Kristin Stewart (Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Worst Supporting Actor: Billy Ray Cyrus (The Spy Next Door) George Lopez (Marmaduke, The Spy Next Door and Valentine's Day) Dev Patel (The Last Airbender) Jackson Rathbone (The Last Airbender and Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Rob Schneider (Grown Ups) Worst Supporting Actress: Jessica Alba (The Killer Inside Me, Little Fockers, Machete and Valentine's Day) Cher (Burlesque) Liza Minnelli (Sex And The City 2) Nicola Peltz (The Last Airbender) Barbra Streisand (Little Fockers) Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use Of 3-D: Cats And Dogs 2: Revenge Of Kitty Galore Clash Of The Titans The Last Airbender The Nutcracker In 3-D Saw VII Worst Screen Couple/Screen Ensemble: Jennifer Aniston and Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter) Josh Brolin's face and Megan Fox's accent (Jonah Hex) The entire cast of The Last Airbender The entire cast of Sex And The City 2 The entire cast of Twilight Saga: Eclipse Worst Director: Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer (Vampires Suck) Michael Patrick King (Sex And The City 2) M. Night Shyamalan (The Last Airbender) David Slade (Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Sylvester Stallone (The Expendables) Worst Screenplay: The Last Airbender, M. Night Shyamalan Little Fockers, John Hamburg and Larry Stuckey Sex And The City 2, Michael Patrick King Twilight Saga: Eclipse, Melissa Rosenberg Vampires Suck, Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer Worst Prequel, Rip-Off, Remake or Sequel: Clash Of The Titans The Last Airbender Sex And The City 2 Twilight Saga: Eclipse Vampires Suck I swear, if Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer don't win this year, nothing's gonna save us! __________________ My deviantART page My myCast.io page

01-24-2011, 05:27 PM	#3
taranchula Agent: Deep Bloo You guys have your red headed cartoon crushes and I have mine! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Baconland...er I mean Canada. Posts: 2,773	My predictions: Worst Picture: The Bounty Hunter The Last Airbender Sex And The City 2 Twilight Saga: Eclipse Vampires Suck Loser: The Last Airbender, this movie made the common mistake that a lot of television to silver screen adaptions make, trying to condense an entire season worth of stories into a couple of hours. The end result is a poorly paced mess that not only the die hard fans of the source material were disappointed in, but also the average film goer as well. Worst Actor: Jack Black (Gulliver's Travels) Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter) Ashton Kutcher (Killers and Valentine's Day) Taylor Lautner (Twilight Saga: Eclipse and Valentine's Day) Robert Pattinson (Remember Me and Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Loser: Eh, pretty much the very definition of a "pick em" as I can see anyone of these people walking away with this award. I'll go with Jack Black, just on the slim hope he'll actually show up for award in person. Worst Actress: Jennifer Aniston (The Bounty Hunter and The Switch) Miley Cyrus (The Last Song) The Four "Gal Pals" (Sarah Jessica Parker, Kim Cattrall, Kristin Davis and Cynthia Nixon, Sex And The City 2) Megan Fox (Jonah Hex) Kristin Stewart (Twilight Saga: Eclipse) The Loser: Kristin "Emotions are for losers" Stewart. Worst Supporting Actor: Billy Ray Cyrus (The Spy Next Door) George Lopez (Marmaduke, The Spy Next Door and Valentine's Day) Dev Patel (The Last Airbender) Jackson Rathbone (The Last Airbender and Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Rob Schneider (Grown Ups) The Loser: Um...again anyone could take this catagory, but I'll have to go with Rathbone, the one-two punch of Twilight and Last Airbender puts him over the top. Worst Supporting Actress: Jessica Alba (The Killer Inside Me, Little Fockers, Machete and Valentine's Day) Cher (Burlesque) Liza Minnelli (Sex And The City 2) Nicola Peltz (The Last Airbender) Barbra Streisand (Little Fockers) The Loser: There are 4 good reasons why Jessica Alba, should take this one... Worst Eye-Gouging Mis-Use Of 3-D: Cats And Dogs 2: Revenge Of Kitty Galore Clash Of The Titans The Last Airbender The Nutcracker In 3-D Saw VII The Loser: This one might be a tie between Airbender and Clash of The Titans, only for the simple reason is that both films were never meant to be 3-D films and had the gimmick thrust upon them at the last second, making both films blurry unfocused messes. Worst Screen Couple/Screen Ensemble: Jennifer Aniston and Gerard Butler (The Bounty Hunter) Josh Brolin's face and Megan Fox's accent (Jonah Hex) The entire cast of The Last Airbender The entire cast of Sex And The City 2 The entire cast of Twilight Saga: Eclipse The Losers: Airbender takes this one again, there were so many "I'M ACTING!" moments in that film it's not funny. Worst Director: Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer (Vampires Suck) Michael Patrick King (Sex And The City 2) M. Night Shyamalan (The Last Airbender) David Slade (Twilight Saga: Eclipse) Sylvester Stallone (The Expendables) Worst Screenplay: The Last Airbender, M. Night Shyamalan Little Fockers, John Hamburg and Larry Stuckey Sex And The City 2, Michael Patrick King Twilight Saga: Eclipse, Melissa Rosenberg Vampires Suck, Jason Friedberg and Aaron Seltzer Worst Prequel, Rip-Off, Remake or Sequel: Clash Of The Titans The Last Airbender Sex And The City 2 Twilight Saga: Eclipse Vampires Suck The Loser: Sham-a-lam-a-ding-dong takes all three of these categories, for writing and directing a film that rivals "The Happening" for sheer over the top cheesiness. __________________ Founder, Owner, President, Chairman, CEO, CFO and Charter member of the "Never Leave Steve" Fan Club! ~Founded: May 21 2006~ Last edited by taranchula; 01-24-2011 at 05:28 PM.

02-26-2011, 08:16 PM	#4
taranchula Agent: Deep Bloo You guys have your red headed cartoon crushes and I have mine! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Baconland...er I mean Canada. Posts: 2,773	And here are ze results: Worst Picture: The Last Airbender Worst Director: M. Night Shyamalan, The Last Airbender Worst Actor: Ashton Kutcher, Killers and Valentine�s Day Worst Actress: Sarah Jessica Parker, Kim Cattrall, Kristin Davis, and Cynthia Nixon, Sex and the City 2 Worst Supporting Actor: Jackson Rathbone, The Last Airbender and The Twilight Saga: Eclipse Worst Supporting Actress: Jessica Alba, The Killer Inside Me, Little Fockers, Machete, and Valentine�s Day Worst Eye-Gouging Misuse of 3-D: The Last Airbender Worst Screen Couple / Worst Screen Ensemble: The entire cast of Sex and the City 2 Worst Screenplay: M. Night Shyamalan, The Last Airbender Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-off or Sequel: Sex and the City 2 __________________ Founder, Owner, President, Chairman, CEO, CFO and Charter member of the "Never Leave Steve" Fan Club! ~Founded: May 21 2006~ Last edited by taranchula; 02-26-2011 at 08:19 PM.

02-26-2011, 09:40 PM	#5
frankie_fan Resident Movie Buff But that's another show Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: I come from the land down under Posts: 1,078	And STILL not ONE DAMN AWARD for Friedberg and Seltzer! If I ever run into these two, I swear I'm gonna punch them to death!! __________________ My deviantART page My myCast.io page

02-28-2011, 09:22 PM	#7
Another Castle At Home Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 238	I was thinking that! This pair make consistanly make excedingly horrible films. Yet they have never won a Razzie! What's going on there? Do a jury decide who wins? Aren't F&S bored of making such sloppy unfunny films? I wonder what they think of the feedback they have gotten..... On a lighter note, did anyone accept their award in person? __________________ What do you mean our Princess is in...... Alpha November Oscar Tango Hotel Echo Romeo Charlie Alpha Sierra Tango Lima Echo

03-01-2011, 02:27 AM	#8
Ccook50 Foster's Legend Don't forget to turn left at Greenland Join Date: May 2007 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 510	Hadn't heard. The last person to accept a Razzie in person (to what I know) was Halle Berry for Catwoman in 2005. __________________ "God forgot to make stupidity painful." --Ivan Stang (Church of the SubGenius)

03-01-2011, 12:40 PM	#10
Ccook50 Foster's Legend Don't forget to turn left at Greenland Join Date: May 2007 Location: Cumming GA Posts: 510	That's right. I do stand corrected. (Been wrapped up in so much personal detail and such that I forgot). __________________ "God forgot to make stupidity painful." --Ivan Stang (Church of the SubGenius)