Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

[AerostarMonk]

I much prefer the less comical and homicidal Baxter Stockman of the comics and the '03 series. His perserverance is nothing but astonishing. The fact that he's been killed several times and yet continues to fight even when he has no body. A very formidable opponent indeed.

[Medikor]

I actually prefer the mutated fly version of Baxter Stokmon. That's the one I grew up with and identify him as. But the 03 series version has his charm. The way he always shows up with less and less of a body is one heck of a running gag!

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Originally Posted by Medikor

I actually prefer the mutated fly version of Baxter Stokmon. That's the one I grew up with and identify him as. But the 03 series version has his charm. The way he always shows up with less and less of a body is one heck of a running gag!

Same here, the "Less body gag" I have actually come across that joke many times in other media. Swamp Thing, Dragon half, Sonic the hedgehog, Digimon, coming back from death like that certainly isn't anything new.

I personally just can't place that kind of "gag" on a science type villain like Baxter. Like Medikor said, the fly version is what I will always identify him as and whenever I see or hear the name: the fly is always what pops into my head.

[AerostarMonk]

Fly guy was all but eradicated from my memory until trawling wiki history. The gag works because his genius is the only thing keeping him alive. If he were just a hired thug, he'd be long since dead and completely unable to construct another shell for himself.

As I had said before, growing up with something usually has little bearing on how I evaluate things now. The rotund doctor turned human fly is just too farciful for me to take seriously.

Another thing I liked about the '80s series is the news crew. If there's one complaint I have for the new series is the total lack of peers for April. It's like she existed in a vacuum consisting of her uncle, parents and Baxter Stockman prior to her run-in with the Turtles and Casey. And she acts way to worldy to possibly be a shut-in. She obviously went to college and the like, where are her friends from there? Not that I want a full shift in focus, I'd just like to know that April has a life outside of computer programming, antiques and Turtles.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

April was quite possibly the most "impacting" image of the Turtles show. Call it what you like and mock it all you want, but that "banana suit" of hers is an iconic image that like Baxter, will always be apart with me. Like the fly form of Baxter, it's an image of April that I like even after comparing to other forms.

April in the 80s series had something else I liked: likability. I've seen plenty of TV shows and movies who have reporter women/men who do anything close to sticking their heads in lions mouths to get a story, April was nice, spunky but not by any means an obnoxious idiot like most characters fall into this area.

I liked her genuine kind nature and her relationship with the Turtles, the movie touched on her connection to the Turtles very nicely as well. The one thing the 03 series (in my opinion) did right was hooking Casey Jones and April together, they are a sweet couple and I loved seeing more of their love in TMNT.

However, the 03 series Casey Jones had a TERRIBLE accent, it just made me teeth crack. Baxter Stockman in the 80s series was also a pretty impressive villain in the sense that he went from a whimpering geek, to a monster freak who even managed to come back from the dead, and even get a hold of alien technology.

Coming back to life however doesn't always require science, death in comic books or characters of "super powered" nature can bounce back from anything without science.

[Medikor]

Yeah, Cassey's voice and accent in the 03 series is terrible. If 4Kids had a better well of voice actors then the show could have been more appealing to me. Another voice that really annoys me is Michelangelo's. He's supposed to be obnoxious, but not because he has such a lame voice.

[AerostarMonk]

The accent for Casey is something that's never bothered me. Overall I find the voice work to be better on the 03 series because there seems to be no "winking at the camera" moments that happened a lot in the original series. The moments that were set up as an obvious joke or laugh. They of course try and sometimes succeed at humor on the '03 series, but seem a lot less desperate to please.

Yeah, but what I meant was that the only reason Baxter Stockman is still alive in both comics and the '03 series is his pure intellect. He doesn't have special powers to resurrect him and no one would go out of their way to do it. You just no that a half dead scientist is always slinking back to some washed out lab trying to build a new way to survie. And that's why I just love him so much.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Winking at the camera doesn't change how a person sounds. Casey's voice for me in that show is just awful, it sounds too cliche Brooklyn or bronx or whatever you call that type of dialect, it sounds really bad. He also looked a bit older then most versions, TMNT for example made him look really young.

But if there is one character the movies did well (in my opinion) Jones would be that character, I felt he was absolutely PERFECT. Elias Koteas (the actor that played him) gave Jones a great character in personality and attitude. he was likable, he was funny, and I never got tired of seeing him interact with April.

Most people probably saw him as a minor part of the film, minor or major, I still felt the first movie's Casey Jones was one of the best turtles characters brought to life.

[AerostarMonk]

I think winking at the camera doesa change az person's voice. When someone goes out of their way to sell a punchline it shows, or rather sounds. Though I concur on the point that Elias was the best Casey.

My favorite April is somewhere in between '03 and the CGI movie. A perfect mix of those two would be the best April ever, though I'd elect Veronica Taylor to take over Gellar's vocal duties.

[Medikor]

Originally Posted by AerostarMonk

I My favorite April is somewhere in between '03 and the CGI movie. A perfect mix of those two would be the best April ever, though I'd elect Veronica Taylor to take over Gellar's vocal duties.

I always thought April's voice in the 03 series was done by Kelly Sheridan. (Sango from Inuyasha) But Taylor is a fine vocal actor.