Cartoon Crushes?

[pitbulllady]

Originally Posted by Mr. Marshmallow

...........okay seriously, no offense here, but you need to relax. That was NOT an attack, I'd hardly even register that as an attack. I didn't bash Randal and I think you're taking this far deeper into consideration then it needs to be and your taking this more personally then it needs to be.

I never stated any direct or subtle insults, nor did I call Randal any names or mock him in anyway. And most importantly, 2 things:

1. Waternoose DID have a problem with banishing Sulley, if there's one thing I have learned from watching villains is that there is a difference between being bad and being pure evil. Compassion, sympathty, or any kind of sentimental attachment to a person is a sign of emotion, not a heartless person.

Scar is a fine example. He doesn't care about anyone but himself, he sold out his own troops at the fall of a hat and murdered his own brother and attempted to do the same to his own son.

2. By saying "worse" I do NOT mean he's a crappy character or that he sucks, I mean worse as he eviller, meaner, nastier, a darker baddie then Waternoose is what I was getting at. Watch Randal's lines, his reactions to others, his overall mood, and everything about him in comparison to what Waternoose does.

Randal doesn't care about anymore but himself. This is not an attack, this is not an insult, this is what the movie SHOWS. You're taking a personal opinion to heart and you shouldn't, especially since that's all this is, an opinion. I never attacked, slandered, bashed, flamed or insulted Randal ANYWHERE in my statement.

I understood perfectly well what you meant. Just because a person shows regret for doing something wrong, but does it anyway, does not indicate "compassion". The fact that Waternoose did that to someone who'd earlier told him "you've been like a father to me" in the first place is a sign that HE cares only about himself and making more money for his company. If he would do that to an old FRIEND who'd crossed him, what do you suppose he would have done to someone like Randall, someone he clearly disliked, if Randall had refused to follow his orders, or told someone about the project? Randall KNEW that his own life was on the line if he failed to comply with any of Waternoose's orders, and having that sort of proverbial gun to your head 24/7, for two YEARS, will certainly turn the nicest, sweetest person into an ogre!

I've also clearly explained WHY Randall acted so "mean" and "nasty", as you put it. I've been THROUGH that myself, and I've experienced first-hand what that sort of prolonged stress can and WILL do to someone, even someone who's always, for the most part, been thought of as a "nice" person and always considered themselves basically to be a nice person. I have gotten to the part where I was, all the time, a total (correct term for a female dog) towards everyone, but even worse on myself, due to things that were going on at work. Anyone who can point a finger and say that someone is "evil", when they have only seen a PART of that person, is showing lack of real-world experience. Like I said, when I was in high school or college, if I'd seen the movie then, I probably would have felt just like you do, since I'd basically lived a very sheltered life with few really bad experiences. I knew nothing then of how the Real World works. Now, though, much later in life, I've learned the hard way not to be too quick to judge someone until you know, as Paul Harvey puts it, "the REST of the story". I've LIVED the "rest of the story", in a situation very similar to Randall's, right down to being the "outcast" who was perceived as "different" from those I had to work with, so his reactions are not surprisingly very similar to mine. The main differences have to do with the fact that he probably had no real choice-he HAD to cooperate with his boss, and being fired would have been the least of his problems if he hadn't.

IF Randall "didn't care about anyone but himself", explain THIS action: in the Door Vault scene, he grabs Boo after she slips from Sulley's grip(yes, she slips, Randall does NOT snatch her away from him)and prevents her from falling. Later, while he's carrying her, she starts to slip a bit from his own grip, and he pulls her up closer. He'd been ordered by Waternoose to kill all the witnesses, Boo included, so why doesn't he? I know some dimwit will probably say, "Because he was gonna test that machine on her and she needed to be alive", BUT, what had happened to that machine by that point, hmmm? Sulley had totally destroyed it, and it would have taken months to repair, IF it could be repaired at all, so that argument won't cut it. Why didn't Randall just kill Boo there and then; he could simply have dropped her and let her fall, but he doesn't. In fact, he never yells at her, or speaks angrily to HER, or hurts her, but at the worst, seems detached from her, not having gotten a chance to know her as a sentient being. Still, she was of no use to him by that point, so keeping her alive would have been a dangerous thing to do, with the CDA everywhere, unless of course, he intended to put her back in her room.

There is an old proverb, that's good advice, "An open enemy is still better than a pretend friend". That applies to people like Randall and Waternoose. It's far easier to deal with someone that you KNOW dislikes you, and Randall at least was open and honest about how he felt about people. He'd let you know exactly where you stood with him. Waternoose, on the other hand, was one of those people who smile in your face and gain your trust, only to misuse it and turn it against you later on down the road. They lie, they manipulate, and they use others to their advantage, all the while putting up a front of being nice. THAT is the sort of person who will do the worst to you, given the opportunity, but I suspect that some people are going to have to learn this lesson the hard way, as I have.

pitbulllady