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AerostarMonk · 04-27-2007, 12:21 PM

I don't think Nicholson even topped Romero. I actually think he's the worst incarnation of the Joker that has graced the screen. He was a good villain for the context of the film, but he just didn't really hack it my eyes. He was far surpassed by Keaton and Gough who fulfilled their roles beautifully and have become the true icons of the series. Besides I believe the best villain of the Burton set was Walken's Max Shreck. Except for Selina Kyle, every other villain suffered from Burton Knows Best syndrome. Something followers of Superman know all about. Jon Peters wasn't alone in his dismantling of that franchise in the late 90s.

I still hold Ron Perlman's Matt Hagen to being the superior Clayface. The writing, the atmosphere, the music just worked a lot better. Everything went right with him. I mean, just so right. Not saying that everything wasn't right for the new Clayface, it's just that B:TAS stands taller in my opinion.

It's not so much being anal sometimes as it seems that they change some things for seemingly no reason. Not having Wolverine in yellow spandex is one thing, but completely defanging Dark Phoenix into nothing more than Magneto's pawn is another. Sometimes changes can be fantastic and actually add depth and nuance to something that would just seemed uneven if rushed if translated directly, see X2 for example. But other times it's just, why did they do that?

It's all about the spirit. If you betray the spirit of the source to win over the wider audience the movie will always fail. No matter what. And right now if comic book movies try to hard to maintain realism they're going to betray the spirit, because realism isn't what comics are about. Well, at least not superhero comics.

Besides it's already a consensus even among the audiences that trying to reach out to them has ruined plenty of films with amazing potential.

04-27-2007, 12:21 PM	#34
AerostarMonk Holy Toledo! Just try to relax and I'll try not to steal from you. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio. Posts: 462	I don't think Nicholson even topped Romero. I actually think he's the worst incarnation of the Joker that has graced the screen. He was a good villain for the context of the film, but he just didn't really hack it my eyes. He was far surpassed by Keaton and Gough who fulfilled their roles beautifully and have become the true icons of the series. Besides I believe the best villain of the Burton set was Walken's Max Shreck. Except for Selina Kyle, every other villain suffered from Burton Knows Best syndrome. Something followers of Superman know all about. Jon Peters wasn't alone in his dismantling of that franchise in the late 90s. I still hold Ron Perlman's Matt Hagen to being the superior Clayface. The writing, the atmosphere, the music just worked a lot better. Everything went right with him. I mean, just so right. Not saying that everything wasn't right for the new Clayface, it's just that B:TAS stands taller in my opinion. It's not so much being anal sometimes as it seems that they change some things for seemingly no reason. Not having Wolverine in yellow spandex is one thing, but completely defanging Dark Phoenix into nothing more than Magneto's pawn is another. Sometimes changes can be fantastic and actually add depth and nuance to something that would just seemed uneven if rushed if translated directly, see X2 for example. But other times it's just, why did they do that? It's all about the spirit. If you betray the spirit of the source to win over the wider audience the movie will always fail. No matter what. And right now if comic book movies try to hard to maintain realism they're going to betray the spirit, because realism isn't what comics are about. Well, at least not superhero comics. Besides it's already a consensus even among the audiences that trying to reach out to them has ruined plenty of films with amazing potential.