Head to Body Ratios for Mac/Frankie/Whoever...
 

Just so we can get BACK ON TOPIC in the "Dude13's Awesome Series" thread, here's a thread to discuss that.

I did not put this in Mac's section, just because we were also discussing Frankie's head as we compared his head to body ratio...

I have a picture somewhere on my computer with a picture of the tree in the backyard of my neighbor's house that bears a certain resemblence to Mac's head.

Maybe Mac's head will somehow shrink as he ages, as Timmy's did on FOP.

Before:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...mmy_Turner.gif

After:
http://www.capaddict.com/caps/albums...asers_1598.jpg

I doubt that proves my point whatsoever, but it's interesting...

-Marty 8-)

Woohoo! There's hope for the little guy after all!

Ack, if only we knew what Charlie Brown looked like when he grew up - then we'd all feel a lot better about everyone's favorite eight-year-old.

i actally have every dimention and all the geometry you could ever think of for mac. i dont think their heads get smaller, just their body gets bigger

That's good, because I just can't imagine your stories NOT having Frankie inflicting her fiercely loving and big sisterly nature on Mac... ok, there's been a few, but you get my point.

I see Frankie's head can seem a little big sometimes, especially when she's crouching/hunching down(Which she does a lot). And of course, she has one looooooooooooong neck.

yah, she does. I did a few drawings of mac as a teenager after pondering this question, and I can tell you; if his head stays the same size he looks NORMAL. Weird, i mean, but cartoon-normal.

This STILL rasies the question of how his skull works. If he smiles really really alot the smile goes up waaay too much. Like, here:

http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/406-0036.jpg

I mean, HOW DOES THAT WORK? If mac's face can go from

http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/405-0081.jpg

to

http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/402-0066.jpg

to

http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/402-0083.jpg

to

http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/403-0042.jpg

you KNOW someting physically impossible is going on.

Same for Bloo, though sicne he's an imaginary friend it dosn't really matter.
http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/403-0078.jpg
http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/401-0029.jpg

(linking is okay for screencaps, right sparky?)

Lol yes, linking is okay. You can post images if its really important to the discussion too - as long as its a discussion thread, and not like a game or something pointless. I don't think the bandwidth will kill me.

(8D - I'm just amused by this thread, don't mind me!)

(*sigh of relief*)

When I first saw the word 'linking' when I was scrolling from the bottom up (a rather bad habit I have), I freaked out, because I thought that

a. I posted this in the wrong section AGAIN
b. I hotlinked or something, making poor Sparky have to pay extra $$$

I wonder how many threads Sparky has had to delete because of incompetent people like me...

Kzinistzerg, you made a good point- mouths on this show to funky things. It's weird. I can't make my mouth do anything like that.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...cks73/lips.jpg

See? (*yes, that is my mouth, if anyone was actually wondering*)

Although, I can make it yap a whole lot like Goo.

But I'm getting off topic. Mouths do not stretch as far as Bloo's does in that last image from Kzinistzerg. But... It's a cartoon, which I guess is the explaination for this whole thread.

That doesn't mean that we can't discuss it, though.

-Marty 8-)

EDIT: Uh... okay, the mouth pic wasn't exactly important to the discussion. But it related a little... right?

(*watches everyone shake their head no*)

Oops. I'll keep it up, though...

Yeah, they're.... well, they're cartoon characters, and thusly are freakishly elastic.

The second-to-last picture keeps making me snicker because Bloo imitating Madame Foster was pretty much the greatest thing ever.

I definitely have a tremendous amount of agreeing to do with kzinstzerg upon the fact that even though there's a chance Mac's skull size will be fixed as he grows older, there's still a colossal amount of confusion on to how his head functions, mainly with his mouth.

This was the scene that really first made me notice it: http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/2/26-0021.jpg

It took me a while to realize that his mouth is actually curling above his eyeballs. Yikes!

But like I said before, at least we don't have to worry with the little guy being forced to life with an oversized noggin for the rest of his life - I think I may have very well have discovered the undeniable proof we need to show that Mac's going to be just fine when he grows older (concerning head proportion, that is)

For this, I think I'll have to take up Sparky's rare exception for posting screenshots if it's vital to the discussion (eek, sorry! I promise I'll be better in the future, only links!)

http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/3/312-0049.jpg

See? Frankie as a baby had an atrociously horrendous body-to-head ratio, but she grew up to turn out just fine! (Well......her neck is still a bit long- but I don't mind, because that's the only way Mac's head can fit under there when they snuggle in my stories - as adopted little brother and sister, ack mind you, no F/M romance, yuck!)

So I think if Frankie can turn out all right, then I think there may very well be hope for all of them....that is......

http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/408-0067.jpg

Poor Goo.... not only does she too suffer from the afflication of an oversized head, but her torso is nearly non-existant.

I think the unproportions make the characters unique.

It's very cool- but the whole "Goo has no torso" thing cracked me up a little.

It's amazing her body doesn't fall over from the weight of her head.

And I must say, her legs are so skinny and long that the first time I saw her I thought that her legs would break at any second. They're like spagetti noodles.

Also, have you seen the way she walks? I think she waddles. Although, I could easily see her as a dancer, because although she does not seem graceful (*Marty snorts at herself because she is a dancer and is the FARTHEST THING from graceful*), she just has something about the way her knees bend that make it seem like she can do the best axles in the world. I do have to wonder, though- is she REALLY that tall, or do her cowboy boots make her seem taller?

-Marty 8-)

Poor litle kid....ha, it looks like her head may very well take up half her body weight, even more. So how is she able to stand upright? Her torso barely has enough room for her miniscule vital organs, never mind any badly-needed extra muscle.

And yeah, she does have a bit of a weird walk - but when she runs, like when Mac chases her all over the house in "Go Goo Go", it's much, much more bizarre - her legs and arms move extremely fluidly, as if she doesn't have any bones in her limbs.

Then again, though, she's not the only one dealing with such an issue - Frankie tends to walk casually from time to time (and sometimes when she runs, though only at certain angles) in a way where her legs also move really fluidly, almost like a pair of noodles, very much like Goo.

http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/1/11-0041.jpg

Ack, sorry, that was the only example of it I could find.

Back to Goo though - yeah, I think her cowboy boots DO add some extra height, as can probably be seen most clearly here. http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/3/37-0033.jpg

But the problem is, we don't know exactly hwo much it adds, and until then, with her oversized head taken in effect, it makes her seem bigger than she probably really is.

http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/404-0063.jpg - See? Right here, she and Frankie look as if they're nearly identical in height.

It's the cartoon running thing.

That Goo/Frankie picture was odd, because if you look at this picture, it seems as if Goo comes up to about Frankie's shoulder- they are NOT the same height.
http://www.fosters-home.com/screengrabs/4/404-0033.jpg

And THIS WILL BE THE LAST PICTURE I POST for a while, because I do not want to overuse the bandwidth that Sparky is so graciously letting us use. Links only now from me.

-Marty 8-)

Ack, be that as it may, the cowboy boots are most definitely adding some unnecessary height there - I hope.

Frankie is twenty-two. Goo is eight.

But Frankie doesn't exactly have that much of a great height advantage despite a span of fourteen years.

I just realized something- it is never quite stated that Goo is eight. We always assumed that...

So she may be older or younger for all we know (but I'm doubting the latter). However, if she is older, that would partically explain why she is so much taller than Mac.

Or she could just be really tall.

Or this is just a cartoon and I'm just having fun with this.

Yep.

-Marty 8-)

Ack, I just checked her article on Wikipedia and found nothing there, ufnortunately. You're right, we always just assumed she was as old as Mac - other than that, we have absolutely no proof whatsoever.

So if she's older, than that may explain her height - but how much older than Mac can she possibly be? Then again, her personality doesn't exactly hint at any higher age.

Yikes - if she's actually younger, that actually leaves us with more questions than when we started with.

That, or the simple conclusion that she's freakishly tall for her age.

I'm freakishly short.

The simulaties between Goo and Marty stopped somewhere in the discussions about how skinny and tall Goo is.

And I am now referring to myself in third person, and that is kind of strange.

I sure hope she's eight.

'Cause if not... Well, Dude13 and I have a TON of work to do (*editing*)...

-Marty 8-)

(Groan) Oh man, I don't even want to start thinking about the work we'd have ahead of us......if anyone has undeniable proof of what her true age is....and if it isn't eight.....please don't tell us!

Dude, I don't think anyone but Craig and Lauren can tell us that.

(*whips out pen and paper and starts writing a letter*)

Hey, it'll be more work re-writing the stories than writing to ask...If even THEY know...

-Marty 8-)

Maybe they'll show mercy and tell us she is eight....just for the sake of humoring us.

Even then, I'd be blissfully happy....ignorant, but happy.

Ack....how many times I've refered to her as an eight-year-old, I can't begin to count.

Ha.....marty, do you realize now we're talking about our story more than we were in the fan-fiction forum?

Something's messed up here. We couldn't stay on-topic in the fanfic forum, and now we can't stay on topic here.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH US??

And have you also noticed that we've actually filled up a page or so with just the two of us yapping back and forth??

HA.

-Marty 8-)

Ha, this thread isn't even a day old.

Oh, yeah....someone please add some input here before Marty and I need to move this thread back!

Guys, if you can't post anything related to the topic, I'm going to close it. Dude, I don't want you posting more than one post on the same topic withing two minutes. :macwor: Thank you.

(*Salutes*)

Exactly...

Y'see, this is a problem I have in life...

And to get back on topic, I think that Frankie (other than the freaky running thing mentioned earlier) is the only person who actually has a normal (non-cartoonish, I mean) body...

And is Mac just short for his age? I don't really think so, because any other time we've seen other children (excpet Goo) they've been the same height.

Opinions, please, before Dude13 and I get off-topic again??

-Marty 8-)

Option #1 - Goo ia 12 years old, not 8.

Option #2 - Goo has a glandular condition, or is just genetically tall.

Option #3 - Don't try to read logic into a cartoon. ;)

And thus, why they are cartoons and not live actors.

Cartoons are drawn to do things that are not possible in real life, that's why animation was invented.

No human on Foster's is realistically proportioned, and that's great.
Frankie's a well-drawn cartoon; her neck is too long, nose is too small, eyes are too big, hair is an unnatural color, um... chest is um... "pointy", legs are toothpick-like... yadda yadda yadda.

And it all works together perfectly. :frankiesmile:

Ah, but isn't it fun to muse over this??

-Marty 8-)

Wait, Goo is 12? How can you know? Well, it is clear she's somewhat older than Mac, but if she's 12, then why would Frankie thing Goo is Mac's girlfriend? Well, he fell in love with Frankie who's 14 years older than him, so...
Omg, he's a weird kid sometimes. ;D

I'm gonna weigh in on this with my personal take on the whole proportions thing.

First, it's pretty much well-known that cartoonists and animators(which are NOT the same thing)exaggerate certain features of a character, and usually this includes making the characters' heads bigger in proportion than they would be IF these were living people, or animals, or whatevers. Many Western animators also tend to leave off drawing things that are not absolulely necessary to make the character "believable", if you will, like fingernails, eye lashes(especially on male characters, even though males have eye lashes, too), nostrils, etc. This is certainly the case with the Foster's characters, both human and otherwise. I tend to look at it this way: I know that those features are intentionally exaggerated, and therefore I know that if these WERE real, live people, Mac's head would not be so huge, Frankie's neck would not be that long, Goo and Wilt would both have much larger torsos to accomodate vital organs, Madame Foster would be taller, and so on and so forth. The logistics of how So-and-So would be able to hug Whats-Her-Face doesn't bother me, because I tend to automatically assign "real people" proportions to them, mentally. It's like that pencil drawing of Wilt relaxing on a chair that's on my DA gallery, and that drawing of him made by one of my sixth-grade students last year, in which both of us chose to assign more realistic proportions and anatomical features, like muscles and lips, to him while still making him look like Wilt, rather than just a very tall human with a missing arm. We both gave him a torso that was more in proportion, with enough space for a set of lungs and other vital organs, without making him look unrecognizable. I've seen plenty of art on DA in which Mac and Frankie were drawn with realistic human proportions, for their respective ages, and these still were recognizable as Mac and Frankie, even without the deliberately exaggerated features or left-out features that are so common in animation. I guess to some extent many of you are "spoiled" by Anime', since Japanese animators spare no expense in creating their products, and draw/animate many more details, and include realistic proportions, so examples of Western animation seem "off". I don't watch Anime', and didn't have it when I was a kid(other than "Speed Racer"), so I don't tend to find the over-large heads and other typical features of American animation to be strange.

As for Goo's height, it's a well-known biological fact that girls grow much faster than boys, up until puberty, when boys usually experience a rapid growth spurt that puts them ahead of the girls in terms of height. In my fourth-grade classes, many of the girls are a LOT taller than the boys, and some are nearly as tall as I am! At the Jr. High, though, only a few of my eighth-grade girls are as tall as, or taller, than their male classmates. Compared to Frankie, Goo's height does not seem that extreme.

pitbulllady

Good point.

I actually do not watch anime (I get what you mean, though)...

I'm just discussing this for fun- I know it's only a cartoon, and this is somewhat of a non-important discussion that will never come to a conclusion.

But it's fun.

Ha, I was ALWAYS (and still am) the shortest person in my age-group.

-Marty 8-)

I know. I don't watch anime, but I'm and art student; I look at these weird thigns and I have a tendency to notice stuff like that.

Like I said, I drew mac as terrence's age and he looked normal. That was one of the parts i nmy post.

also it's FUN to discuss these thigns!

Like that post Pitbulllady.

I certainly leave off many "unneccessary" features during my forays into cartooning.

This'll be my contribution to the conversation, and since we're talking about odd body proportions and all...have you all ever noticed that Madame Foster's legs resemble the tips of pencils?

Madame Foster's unusually pointy feet? Ha, noticed very much so on numerosu occasions.

I also just realized how interesting it is that on a show revolving around the concept of imaginary friends, all of whom are naturally uniquely bizarre, we can't help but notice the odd little details about the human characters, those who are supposed to be normal (Mac's head, Goo's torso, Frankie's neck, etc.)

Well, and as stated before, it's a blast to point out.

Well, imaginary friends have liscence to be as weird as they can, becuase kids don't have much of an idea of anatomy or physics. In fact, I;m suprised at the deep character and wide variety of imaginary friends, considering so many are made at a young age. Somoene like Bloo I imagine would be rare, but it seems like many of the imaginary friends come complete with a personailty beyond what a normal three-year-old or more would know of; witness scribbles.

Back to weird people, I had this dream that included Mac as a teenager for some reason and he looked normal. It was kinda weird.

Normal as in correct head-to-body ratio? Because I think the ongoing theory here is that as the characters grow up (from usually being large-headed children), that all eventually evens out.

Well, the disproportionate bodies are just a stylization. And the younger characters, I assume, have bigger heads compared to their bodie's because real baby's and young children have large heads. It's just a way to help represent the characters ages.
I never had a problom with the size of Frankie's neck. It never struck me as obscure. The only thing about Frankie that doe's is her leg's. And that's only on rare occations like when she was in her bathing-suit laying on the beach in "Squeeze the Day".
I think that maybe the reason I don't really think about these things is because I take the characters (As real as they are) as cartoon characters. I guess I just never questioned these things after haveing 22 years of cartoon watching under my belt. Plus, exzagerated faceal expresions are funny. I always laugh when Bloo's mouth is 2/3' the size of his body.8D

I agree with Sparky, this thread amuses me to no end.

I think Mac's will shrink. Unless the crew wants an IZ joke & have Mac's head get bigger when he grows up. (Ala Dib)