Well that's your opinion there gents, and there is nothing that myself and anyone else can do to change it.

But all I am just saying is that all things are subjective, that episode of Foster's in particular, yeah, you guys hated how Frankie was treated there, that's not a secret. But on the other hand, other people may have gleened some humor out of what was happening.

If you dislike Frankie or enjoy that kind of humor (bashing I mean) then that's all well in good, but it's hard even for me to like any episode that purposely goes out of it's way to "get" someone. Which is really what happened here from start to finish.

I've seen the same thing happen in Pokemon, Ranma 1/2, Ben 10, Extreme Ghostbusters, Sailor Moon, Digimon, and others. Even if I hate the character, it annoys the crap out of me when an episode purposely tries to destroy someone. And every gag and every punchline revolves around making that char feel worse.

Also sometimes it is the writers intention to make the character suffer. Perfect example: in Batman Beyond a female char called Maxine is introduced into the show that knows Terry/Batman's true identity and kinda forces her way onto the team. The writers on the show admitted to disliking Maxine.

Maxine was only put in to satisfy female viewers. In one episode, they actually had the elderly Bruce Wayne set up a situation that more or less "screws" Maxine in the end. That was put in to basically get back at the character. I'm not saying it's the same thing here, but it has happened.

But like I said before, humor at someone else's misery is all well in good when it is done to be funny. Frankie going insane over a cookie obsession and getting herself stuffed and on the verge of barfing, funny and weird. Frankie getting verbally trashed by EVERYONE with no payback for Goofball....

Not cool. But that's just me, and being a Frankie fan isn't my soul reason for feeling this way, this episode was out to get Frankie whether I like her or not.

Well, Some plusses did happen in the end for Frankie. Like I said, she learned that she isan't taken for granted. Goofball didan't get to stay at Foster's, and Bloo was shown as an idiot at the end. But I'm sure Frankie woulda't have gone thrue so much trouble if she just took everyone's word for it, and accepted Goofball as an imaginary friend (I'm sure anyone would assume he was just a kid in disguise).
I may be mistaken, but dosa't every character get an episode like this? I mean, Mr. Harriman (He only work's Frankie so hard because he KNOWS she'll be his boss someday;) ) get's his every once in a while. I love Frankie, but I still enjoyed "Imposters". I thought it was a funny episode, and it did give us more of our favorite character.:D I know many of you don't like it. That's cool. No one said you had to. Sorry if I made any of you angry.:(

I'm not at all angry. It's fine if you think different; and I'm happy that you at least found enjoyment in that episode.

And I have to say this: if Craig, Lauren or anyone else from the staff happen to actually read what we say here, I hope that they don't take the last few posts of this thread personally. I have nothing but great respect for them, and I genuinely enjoy most of what they do. The writing and the animation is some of the best I've seen on a "silly kids' show" in a very long time. And whether they intend it or not--they've created characters that are easy to love and get attached to.

I hope they're able to tell apart the "MAKE BLOO A NICE GUY! MAKE EVERYTHING HAPPY!" fanatics on TV.com from us people here who genuinely appreciate and love what they're trying to do, even if not everything makes everybody happy.

That's where I think the magic of this show and it's characters comes from. Lauren and Craig love this show. It's their baby. And they have made some truely timeless and memorable characters. Frankie being one of them.:D

I had to do this, because she's the best:

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Not too bad for a program that came out in 1995.

That looks like a Las Vegas marqee...

Now appearing at the Rainbow Room, It's Frances Foster's one woman show: FRANKIE! FRANKIE! FRANKIE!

Well, if anyone ever deserved to have her name up in lights... :frankiesmile:

nicely done, though it makes me a bit nauseus looking at it for a while.

It is a little loud, I'll admit that. I'd been experimenting with the border for awhile when I realized that it was surrounding nothing but a black rectangle, and it needed a centerpiece. Frankie was the first thing that came to mind (big surprise), so I capped her pic on the CN site, placed her in the frame, and added the caption. Trust me, I'll come up with better stuff over time. ;)

It's very good. My computer is very new, and I can't do anything like that.8D

I really, really, REALLY hope that the writers remember to give Frankie some more episodes for Season 5. Right now, it looks as if "The Big Cheese" will be the closest Season 4 will get to such... and ironically, although it was funny and I even have a screencap of it as my current avatar, it's an episode that seems like it was only pressured into existence by network executives and advertisers who want to hype Cheese as hard as possible.

I say "ironically" because it brings me to something that I'm fearing more and more each day. With Foster's slowly getting more merchandising deals and mainstream attention, I have a horrible feeling that the writers will start relying more on the "Foster's Five" and heavily-hyped recurring favorites like Cheese and Goo so that they can appeal to the kids and get even more mainstream attention--and, as a result, neglect Frankie more and more, to the point that she's reduced to a minor footnote that appears once in a while. Sadly, because she is neither part of the so-called "Foster's Five" or a recurring character that Cartoon Network is hellbent on shoving down everybody's throats, I feel that CN executives and merchandisers could start swaying Craig and the writers into doing exactly that.

I'm doing my best to keep an open mind, but it's almost impossible. I fear that such could very well be the case. :(

Check the review for Episode #49, "Emancipation Complication", on the CN site. It looks like Frankie has a major role in that one.

Frankie will alway's be a forrunner for the show. I find that it's like they find any excuse to put her in the show. "My so called wife" is a good example. She wasan't necasary, but it was nice to see her there. Plus, Frankie is a useful character to use when friction or an added touch is needed.
Frankie is popular. And I don't think we'll be seeing any less of her.:D

Frankie's role in the show is too large for her not to appear in the majority of the show's episodes, that's the way it has been thus far. She probably won't be featured or a major player in as many episodes as the big five, but she'll get her screen time.

She had a pretty big part in "Bus the two of us", among other recent episodes.
It may simply be difficult to make Frankie-centric episodes entertaining for the wide variety of Foster's fans. We certainly saw such difficulty come out in the much-maligned "Imposter's".

Thinking back to the short episodes like "Seeing Red", they could write one that's Frankie-centric. I'm thinking about a simple storyline where we follow her on a trip to the supermarket and watch her deal with the "joy" of picking up groceries, something we've all put up with. At the end of an exhausting day of bargain hunting, dodging shopping carts, and dealing with incompetent store workers she returns to Foster's, where Bloo complains that the chips she picked up are not salt & vinegar flavor. Short, amusing, and all Frankie. :frankiesmile:

No offense, but I HATE that premise. I'm having a hard time figuring out what's so funny about Frankie struggling too hard for something, only to get proverbially spit in the face at the end as "reward" for her efforts.

Frankie's misery is hilarious when it's either done in a purely goofy way("Cookie Dough") or there's some justice at the end("Busted" and "Crime After Crime"). But that idea sounds like a shorthand version of "Imposter's".

And if they actually made that into an episode, it would only confirm the fears I expressed on my last post: the "Foster's Five" and Cheese/Goo would get all the attention and lots of full-lenght episodes, and all Frankie gets is a "shorthand episode" where she gets ripped apart from start to finish.

Well I do think Frankie on some sort of level, does enjoy doing the whole grocery thing because in truth it's all part of her taking care schtick. She loves taking care of imaginary friends and people and as angry as she gets, I think on some level she enjoys it.

Frankie obviously is also the only one aware that if she doesn't do this stuff then NO one will. It's like in Aqua Teen Hungerforce when Frylock moved out, and Shake and Meatwad ended up living in a chicken disease suffocating house. She's the glue to holding up Foster's and everyone in it.

I think though if she gets another episode like "Setting a president" she needs to have involvement with someone like Bloo or Mac. Frankie isn't the kind of person to make mischeif or troubles for herself, that comes from people around her or set ups like Goofball, the cookie thing, or the security code.

Frankie needs a Bloo to piss her off so we can laugh at her reactions, Frankie is good at playing off of others and no matter who it is Herriman, Bloo, or Cheese, I think Frankie's best work is when she's working with someone rather then going solo. Mac and Bloo can work as a whole for an episode.

Certain characters cannot. Frankie can, I'm just saying I think it'd be alot better and funnier if she played off someone else.

None taken. The idea behind it was that it's something everyone can relate to. Plus, unlike that loser Goofball, it's not an aggravation directed specifically at her, it's just an annoying part of life. I guess I'm thinking more along the lines of life's little hassles, and the accompanying little triumphs, rather than it's major heartaches. Seeing Frankie frustrated is one thing; something like another "Imposter's" is out of the question.

By the way, guys, guess who's thread is the first on the Forum to reach 300 posts? :frankiesmile:

I get what you mean by focusing on "life's little hassles"; Frankie's frustration itself isn't what bothered me. What bothered me(and greatly) was the ending to that premise, with Bloo whining about the chips not being what he expected--as if you were suggesting it would end with Frankie being sent to the mall again and thus forced to repeat those hassles. If you cited a different ending with some form of payback for her, it would've been cool with me, but that one... well, it may not be as painful as "Imposter's", but it's still very much slapping her in the face despite her efforts.

EDIT: Congrats to everybody for reaching 300+ posts! :frankiesmile:

Well, after Bloo announces his displeasure, we cut to a scene of the house. We hear him yell "Hey! What the - ? Oww!" We cut back to the last scene, where we find Frankie smiling serenely because Bloo is now wearing the offending bag of chips. Roll credits. :-*

Now there's a funny idea for a set up.

Lock Frankie and Bloo in a room or place or mall or something, god only knows how that would turn out.

The funny thing about that is Frankie is the only one who really has the guts to shut Bloo up or throw stuff at him or yell at him etc.

Mac's too nice, and as we see whenever he does ANYTHING with Bloo, Mac can't stop Bloo and he lacks the guts to give em a few whacks like Frankie.

That sounds like it would be funny.

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Frankie: (realizing that she's locked in with Bloo) "THIS IS THE WORST DAY OF MY LIFE!" (pauses for a few seconds, calming down her angry expression a bit) "I mean, other than the day those scribbles were released when I was little, or that time I had to clean up all those messes because you broke my grandma's bust, or when I had to look for you and the rest at the mall, or when I nearly lost my computer because you had to post that dumb "Funny Bunny" video online, or when I got locked out of the house on Halloween, or when I went on that cookie binge, or when grandma kept slapping me over that disgusting dessert, or when you stole the bus and forced everybody else into lying to me about it, or when Cheese nearly ruined our planned TV coverage, or--" (stops suddenly with a stumped look) "Am I forgetting something?"

Bloo: "...that day with Goof--"

Frankie: (gets up close on Bloo's face with a furious glare) "ESPECIALLY GOOFBALL!!!"

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And once they get out at the end, maybe Frankie could somewhat gain a mutual respect for Bloo, due to him doing something uncharacteristically kind of him that helps comfort her in the meantime or even play a big role in getting them out. Please note my use of "somewhat", though... because it's just too fun to see them getting on each other's nerves for them to just suddenly become "best friends"-like.

That is actually a REALLY good line set up there, that would work out really well if that was ever made into an episode.

That reminds me of when Mac was running down the list of Bloo's antics during "Setting a President". Mac had like EVERY DETAIL!

"Ruined a date for Frankie, broke a squeezy toy Eduardo had, ruined my reputation at school, broke a bust of Madame Foster, hurt Coco's feelings, ate all of the camping food, stole the cookie recipie" etc.

I just thought of that after reading your post Voxxyn. I actually think Bloo would do something nice for Frankie and she would respect him, but then I imagined knowing Bloo, he'd do something rude again to her and she'd strangle him ;D.

Bloo has to have the last word in, "Neighbor Pains" is a fine example of that, he's too immature to be nice to anyone without getting a few jabs in.

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I don't think that premise is a slap in the face at all. Frankie's a wonderful character and person, but she needs annoyances in her life, because she's a sane person surrounded by screwballs. It's part of the show, and if anything it makes her even more admirable for getting through it all day after day and still being positive.

It's not like Bloo and Frankie are enimy's. I'm sure they get along. You see that they do smoetimes. Frankie even say's that Bloo is "an awesome friend" in House of Bloo's. Ofcourse, that's before she gets to know him better.;)
But an episode where the two have to work together, for whatever reason, and actually getting along long enough to finish the job in the end, would be a nice episode.:D

I liked World Wide Wabbit because they, in a rare turn of events, cooperated and were like.... on the same wavelength, being all mischievous and stuff and Frankie wasn't the "sober voice of reason" anymore. It was great.

Frankie doesn't like Bloo, she proved that by ditching him in "Squeeze the Day". Otherwise, she has 3 episodes worth of proof of why to dislike Bloo:

"Bus the two of us"

"Setting a President"

"Store Wars"

Granted Frankie doesn't hate Bloo, but I think it's safe to say he is the last person she would want to be stuck with on an empty island for example.

That was a good episode. It really played out all the main characters involved. But I also enjoyed Frankie and Bloo's cooperation. It's VERY similar to me and my youngest brother. We don't get along at all- but when the planet's aligne and a blue moon emerges from the clouds, watch out!8D

I don't think many people could tolerate being stuck on an empty island with Bloo, but I think Frankie has a fondness for Bloo deep down in her heart, even if he drives her insane. His and Mac's friendship could warm anyone's heart, when he isn't making him be his butler Wimpy.

Mac's list in "Setting A President" was exactly where I got my inspiration for that Frankie/Bloo dialogue in my last post. Though I must admit I was confused by some of Mac's choices... particulary, "ruined Frankie's date". If you notice, I DIDN'T include that one amongst Frankie's list of bad days, because it makes absolutely no sense to me. It actually turned out very well in the end, because thanks to them "ruining" her date, she realized how much a loser Dylan was and who her TRUE friends were.

And yes, I do think Bloo is a "true friend" of Frankie. Because I'm sure that, very deep down in her heart, no matter how furious she gets with him or how much she delights at every opportunity to punish him--she cares much about him and wants him to remain at Foster's. Or at the very least, I think she realizes just how much Bloo means to Mac, and thus would never dare to try to break them up just to make her job slightly easier.

I think Frankie also deals with him mainly for Mac's sake. Frankie's problems mostly stem from just 2 imaginary friends, Bloo and Mr. Herriman and at least Herriman has a somewhat of moral code, even if he is anal rententive.

I think despite the fact that Dylan turned out to be an ass, the fact was that Bloo was putting Frankie on the spot and they really had no idea Dylan was a jerk. They went there to bug her because of there little crushes on Frankie.

So even though Dylan turned out to be a jerk, Bloo still crashed her date and made it difficult for her in that position. I think Mac was looking at it that way instead of the whole "the ends justify the means" point of view.

Yeah, seriously. If they hadn't "ruined" it, she probably would have wasted her time going out with him again.

I agree, I think Frankie does regard Bloo (huh-huh-huh... regard Bloo) as a friend, even if he makes her job harder. She gets stressed out, but she obviously loves being with/caring for the IFs, even the annoying ones.

I'm not saying that Dylan didn't need to be exposed, all I am saying is truthfully whether Frankie was dating a nice guy or a creep like Dylan, Bloo still ruined the date and it wasn't to expose Dylan.

I highly doubt Mac, the pizza guy, Bloo, or Prince Charming had any idea of what Dylan was like. Frankie was dating the guy and had no clue, odds are that they didn't know either.

I think she would have found out what Dylan was really like on her own, eventually. Bloo was acting in his own self-interest, nothing more, but I think the crush angle made it cute rather than just malicious.

True, but if you look at Frankie's expression during "Setting a President" when Mac ran off the list, you can tell she didn't really like what she was hearing.

I'm sure Frankie really care's for Bloo. You just help but like him as a character. It is obveously very differant haveing to live with him, but Frankie is a very careing woman. If my big sister has taught me ANYTHING it's this: No matter how much her three little brothers acted like monsters and drived her nuts, she still cared for us and even loved us. We're still family, and Bloo and Frankie are still (in a sence) family.
And I'm sure her tolerance and patiance for him also (don't hate me for saying this laydie's) stems from the fact that she is a girl. As a big sister, she is going to be less confrontational and be more compasionate. If she were a guy, she would be more likely to lash out and even consider hitting him (I know I would!8D ) to beat some common sence into him. But Frankie is too good a person to do that, and that's why I lover her. Ofcourse, she still manages to get her licks in on Bloo and the others. She's no damsel in distres.;)

True, and I don't blame her. Regardless of the outcome, he was still making a pest of himself and ruining her evening. I think she forgave him, but didn't forget it, either. It can't have been a fun night for her.

And all that is part of what sets her apart from so many other cartoon characters. It's her caring side, her commitment to the house and it's residents, that really makes her something special and not just another one-dimensional hottie. Even her seemingly low frustration threshold is endearing, as it makes her seem more real, more believable. I don't recall ever meeting anyone quite like Frankie Foster, cartoon or real, and I doubt I ever will. She's quite a lady. :frankiesmile:

It's true that they were acting selfishly, and didn't know at all what Dylan was like.

But I like to think that, if Frankie were dating someone who truly deserved her, he would've instantly told off Bloo and the others in a way indicating that he genuinely cares about Frankie and understands her not-so-pleasant profession and thus wants to make sure she has a good time that evening, instead of being incredibly vain like Dylan. Then later, Frankie would explain to him that they were friends of her, and they would later all get together, and Frankie and her new boyfriend would tell them as kindly as possible that their actions were very selfish and that, if they really care about Frankie, they shouldn't pull off such a stunt again. At the same time, though, he would try his best to get along with Frankie's "crushees". Mac, Chris and Prince Charming would learn from their lesson and accept that they truly love each other. Bloo of course wouldn't take it so easily, but that's basically a given. (And I repeat, that scenario is IF and ONLY IF Frankie were with somebody who actually deserved her)

So please don't misunderstand me. But I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who thinks that the relationship between Frankie and Bloo isn't a completely negative one.

It may not seem like but I love frankie I even have a slight crush on her
she also happens to be one of the rare female characters I like caus normely I depise female characters

don't ask I just do =_='

and I admit I did feel sorry for her in IHFMUP
but thats not going to make me start hating "you know who"