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montitech 05-31-2007 08:08 AM

I would dissagree with most of this myself. I have not been keeping great track of this thread so sorry if I am a bit out of context.

I find Cheese a good character, He is not one dimentional unless you think all 2 and three year old toddlers are one dimentional (which may be true hence your opinion) I think cheese has a personality of a toddler, over the memorial day holiday we had house guest that included a 3,4 and 5 year old on top of our 2 year old. and there was many cheese moments. ("I wanta go to the Falls", "But You said, You said", "I want a Crabby patty[while fiddling with an empty bun, and eating grilled chicken], "WWWHHHHHAAAAAAAAA"[fo no reason]

As for goo, I like her, she is one dimentional in the aspect of the steriotypical overactive fast talking kid, but she is fun. I am not going to talk more on goo right now since I do not feel like butrassing my points.

But what I actually disagreed with the most was the use of cheese as a Plot device, if anyone is a plot device (in the maner you described/paraphrased) I would say that that would be CoCo. Who actually as I said in a different thread abou a month ago never really had her own LimeLight. So in essence they have been leaving her as a one dimentional character, and then they use her eggs to conviently move plots along by producing the needed item in the nick of time.


Either way back on topic, I liked this episode, I thought it was great that Jackie finnaly showed his personality, Taking Madam Foster to court over a Sandwitch that was not his, was not made by him, But it had his name on it(by Him). And he won not only a sandwitch but a soda and a bag of chips.
...[ more to say but I am a bit distracted today.]

Monty :-/

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Originally Posted by Ditchy McAbandonpants (Post 45516)
Chaos Wielder: No, I agree with you on this one, I think. My main issue with Cheese has always been that he is a completely one-dimensional character, and that doesn't sit well with a character-driven show like Foster's, where a lot of the enjoyment and humour comes from getting to know the personalities and watching them react to different situations. I know a lot of people don't like Goo, and she can admittedly be overbearing, but I'd take her over Cheese any day, because she is at least an actual character with some depth and identity. Cheese on the other hand, as Ub3rD4n hinted at, plays more like a plot device masquerading as a character, merely a construct that the writers use to create lunatic gags and situations. I guess there's nothing wrong with that, but it means that there's nothing inherently interesting about him as a character; the onus therefore shifts entirely to the writers to give him something crazy, interesting and funny to do, by way of compensation. Neither "Mac Daddy" nor "The Big Cheese" would make my Top 20 episodes, but at least they both found imaginative ways for Cheese to cause trouble; by contrast, "Cheese A Go-Go" had him running around screaming the same two words for 22 minutes, and for me that just doesn't cut it. :(


Mr. Marshmallow 05-31-2007 03:54 PM

I actually watched this episode on Comcast demand (love that feature) last night and I remember I originally bashed this episode and gave it a rather negative outlook in comparison to "Buck swaps here". Now that I have actually seen it a second time, I have to say I liked this episode better.

The thing is, I find one of the best qualities of an episode of any good show is it's replay value. If you can find yourself wanting to watch it a second time and really enjoying it, to me, that's a good replay value. I watch Foster's whenever I can but some episodes I try to see more then others.

"Cheese A go-go" actually has alot of replay value because it's constantly going, there's so much happening in the episode and moving quickly that it's hard not to get sucked into watching it. The fast pace of the episode really keeps my interest and I love any episode that gives Frankie a good spotlight.

Actually Frankie has been getting pretty good air time lately, showing up as Cheese's "sidekick" for a second time, she actually plays off his antics well and it gives her a good chance to come on the screen more, so that's fine by me. Frankie did go through Hell here but it's still Frankie air time no matter what's going on with her.

And I'll never stop smiling every time I think of Khones getting pissy with Madame Foster in court, and Eduardo drugged out of his mind. I couldn't stop laughing when Ed was licking the spot where his tooth was removed. It's gross in a way, but when you just watch him do it, it's hard not to laugh.

The only things that I really just didn't find funny and left me feeling "bleh" was the hobo guy and Cheese's revealing to where he was going. Neither of those were funny to me and just felt like jokes that really didn't hit home with me. "Buck" was good but again, replay value helps alot to get into the episode and being able to enjoy it again and again.

It really helps to see an episode a second time, it REALLY does. I also want to say that I have never found Cheese that annoying until he hits those really high pitched screams, like the high part in the security code in "Big cheese". But if I can tolerate that, hearing Cheese saying "gotta go" 40 billion times is hardly going to make my ears bleed.

Crash-N-Cortex 05-31-2007 07:46 PM

You know, come to think of it, I never really like this episode after I seen a second time. Cheese was annoying with "Gotta go" stuff. The main characters here didn't have their best day ever. The people in the episode that were against the Foster gang is the people I dislike in the ep. The lives of the Foster's gang hasn't been going well at the moment. I don't like the Foster's gang going to jail at the end, knowing that Frankie, hopefully, has enough money to free them. To tell you the truth I don't the police at all in this show. That's the truth there. I actually feel sorry for the Foster gang in this ep.

Ditchy McAbandonpants 06-01-2007 03:08 AM

montitech: I dunno...Cheese's behaviour is defintiely very toddler-like, but to compare them too closely doesn't give toddlers enough credit, or gives Cheese too much. Sure, little kids often act impulsive, crazy, loud and demanding, but you always feel that what they're doing stems from a spark of intelligence, and that they do have a real persoanlity and internalised worldview, no matter how primitive and nonsensical it might be. I wouldn't say that the same was true of Cheese, to be honest; he doesn't seem to have any thought processes at all, instead running around doing things in a manic, instinctive yet fundamentally braindead way. I guess one could describe that as a personality (in the same way you might say black is a colour, or zero is a number), but you could hardly say it was one with any level of depth...:cheese:

I've got to disagree with your analysis of Goo and Coco, too, actually, because I find that both of them are a lot more nuanced than people give them credit for. Goo, in particular, is a character who I really feel has tangibly developed over the course of the series; at first glance, she does indeed seem to be the archetypal hyperactive nutjob, perpetually swept up in her own stream of consciousness and oblivious of the world around her, but over the course of "Go Goo Go" she gradually came to reveal her hidden insecurities, the fact that she knows she's a kook and the way she uses her hyperactive imagination to compensate for her loneliness. Since being accepted by the Foster's crew at the end of that episode, however, she's really progressed a lot; with friends surrounding her now, she's learning how to channel her imaginative energies into productive outlets (her work as an unofficial liason officer/organiser for the house), and indeed has developed a lot of pride in herself and her talents (the way she comes to the rescue in "The Big Cheese", or her obsession with winning in "Make Believe It Or Not"). That's an actual character arc, and Foster's doesn't normally do many of those, so I'm impressed. :goo: Coco's trickier, because as you say, she's never really had a dedicated spotlight episode; the closest she's come to one was "My So-Called Wife", which saw her acting in an uncharacteristically lunatic, illogical and, dare I say, Cheese-like way. That's misleading, because from her supporting roles in other episodes the impression I get of Coco's personality is a lot more textured; in fact, I frequently feel that she might actually be the smartest and most mature of the central friends. She's certainly headstrong and emotional, the one quickest to anger when crossed and quickest to seek retribution (see "Cuckoo For Coco Cards" and "Crime After Crime"), thanks to a slightly sly and devious side, but she's also got a maternal nature ("Who Let The Dogs In?", "Good Wilt Hunting") and can be a little sensitive too ("Cuckoo For Coco Cards" again, but also "The Big Picture"). Sure, sometimes she just acts nuts, and sometimes her egg-laying can be used as a bit of a deus ex machina plot device, but I still think she's actually a deceptively rounded character. ;)

Back on topic, though, I've recently rewatched most of the series again, and I agree that a second viewing can do a lot to your perception of an episode; it really cemented my views on a lot of classics (the likes of "Bus The Two Of Us", "Room With A Feud" and "Frankie My Dear" just don't get old) and gave me renewed appreciation of a lot of ones I'd overlooked ("Neighbor Pains", "The Big Picture" and "Go Goo Go" are now amongst my favourites, whilst "Hiccy Burp", "The Big Cheese" and "Land of the Flea" are much better than I remembered). Still, there were a few that still didn't really click with me even after a second viewing, and "Cheese A Go-Go" was one of them (as well as "Partying Is Such Sweet Soiree" and "One False Movie"). There are some funny bits there, but I still just find it too fast, too manic and too plotless...

basilsunshine 06-01-2007 01:26 PM

Is this the first time they've used Madame Foster's first name?

Stoned Eduardo and Khones made this episode one of my top favorites.I wasn't paying much attention to the plot though. I guess I should watch it again before making a review.

Ub3rD4n 06-01-2007 08:29 PM

Hold on now, they used Madame Foster's first name? What was it? I missed that!!!!

As for Cheese, I never really wrote him off as being useless, unentertaining, or an uninteresting character, just that in comparison to the other Fosters characters, he is. I always saw him as a perpetual toddler. If you want a better appreciation of him, I suggest seeing the "Ideal waste of time" music vid on Youtube with him in. It helped for me. And, of course, he does grow on you after time. He's very much like a (very) younger brother.

I too, am kind of sad that Coco can't get much of a limelight episode, due to her lack of intelligable speech and fluctuating lucidity (My So Called Wife being on the crazy end of the spectrum).

Also, I reccomend to anyone who doesn't like a certain episode of Fosters to rewatch. It can do wonders.

Cassini90125 06-01-2007 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ub3rD4n (Post 45830)
Also, I reccomend to anyone who doesn't like a certain episode of Fosters to rewatch. It can do wonders.

Not for all of them, unfortunately.

bloocheese94 06-02-2007 10:52 AM

ANNOYING!
 
Cheese was annoying saying gotta go the whole episode! The only other thing he said was no and only said it once. Next time they make a foster's w/ cheese leave out the screaming and reapeating.

fosters-fan 06-02-2007 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bloocheese94 (Post 45885)
Cheese was annoying saying gotta go the whole episode! The only other thing he said was no and only said it once. Next time they make a foster's w/ cheese leave out the screaming and reapeating.

I solemnly agree with you. Or better yet, NEVER make another Cheese episode. I prefer Goo over him any day of the year. XD

Chaos Wielder 06-04-2007 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassini90125 (Post 45831)
Not for all of them, unfortunately.

Yep, that's the truth. I actually rewatched "The Buck Swaps Here" today and I ended up enjoying it more than I did the first time (that's probably because I had the sound up this time, though! XD), but I rewatched "Cheese A Go-Go" as well and I still couldn't stand it even after the second time. In fact, I disliked it even more! I guess some things just don't do better the second time around, but it's all just a matter of opinion. ;)

Mr. Marshmallow 06-04-2007 11:07 PM

It is because to be honest, I still find myself liking "Go-go" more then I did the first time. I'm really enjoying the episode for itself and not just focusing on Cheese's constant yakking. Like i said before Cheese really doesn't bother me anymore, he's done more annoying sounds and said annoying things worse then this.

He was much more annoying in "Big cheese" but that was a more well crafted episode. Either way, I found there was too much fun to be had with everyone else and their weird going ons. Eduardo, Madame Foster and Jackie Khones all had amusing and entertaining plots. In truth, Bloo was the only one who really made such a big deal out of Cheese.

Yeah Frankie made it seem like it was big at the end by finding out where he goes, but I think even as Louise put it is that there's less to Cheese then meets the eye. And while i do admit I felt so bad seeing Frankie really suffering, I was happy to see her in another prominent role and more importantly, doing the right thing.

Helping Cheese was obviously not the smartest thing to do, but she still tried to help him and even went to all the trouble to bringing him back to Louise and dealt with everyone else's problems too. Plus, she's the ONLY one who didn't get arrested. I don't know why but I just find this episode to be a gas (no Eduardo pun intended).

It's the same way with "Bloooo" and "Emancipation", most people hated these episodes along with "Go-go" but I loved them, especially "Bloooo".

Invader Bloo 06-06-2007 02:33 PM

I re-watched it OnDemand. This episode still dosen't do anything for me. It feels like an episode of "Fairly Odd Parents", by that I mean the plot goes way too fast & there's was like 5 funny jokes. I really think they need to get some new Cheese material, or else his popularity will go dooooooown. I suggest getting some writers from Zim, who always had funny stuff for Gir who is basically like Cheese. Or *COUGH*Me*COUGH*. :bloocross:

Cassini90125 06-06-2007 02:41 PM

That was subtle. 8D

I haven't seen the episode in full since the premiere, but I'll say again that I liked it. Not their best effort, probably due to having that "Invaded" theme forced on them, but not the worst I've ever seen either, not by a longshot.

Invader Bloo 06-06-2007 07:00 PM

The fact that CN forced them to do the Invaded thing, the writers were probably in the middle of a script & scraped this one real fast. :(

jekylljuice 06-07-2007 03:23 AM

I largely have to agree with Ditchy and Chaos' assessments of this episode, I'm afraid. The only things I particularly enjoyed were Jackie Khones' contributions and the fact that one of the scientists bore more than a passing resemblence to Napoleon Dynamite. As for everything else...meh. I'm clearly not the only one who was filled with the compulsion to go rooting round my medicine cabinet for an aspirin fix by Cheese's relentless gabblings, though I do appear to be alone in finding high-Ed to be somewhat overhyped (pretty tame compared to Steve Martin's character in Little Shop of Horrors, at any rate).

At the very least, it's not my least favourite episode (I Only Have Surprise For You still holds that rancid honour), but not one I'll be going out of my way to watch again.

taranchula 06-07-2007 04:07 AM

Looking back at this episode, I think that the fact that this episode coming across like it was 2 or 3 short episodes cobbled together makes me appreciate it all that more.

Why you ask? Because to me it reminded me of those cornball old sci-fi B-movies from long ago, you know the ones that seem like a bunch of random scenes stitched together like an old prom dress with some kind of thin narrative lamely tying them altogether.

And I think that was the effect they were going for in the episode, given the subject material they were forced to work with I can see why they would want to make things as campy as possible.

In fact the reason the episode was named the way it was makes my theory somewhat credible, I did say earlier in the thread that the name Cheese a Go-Go had to have been a take off of the title of the 1960's schlock fest movie Monster a Go-Go. Which in fact were two almost completely different half done movies stitched together.

So kudos for what I consider to be some brilliant satire there.

bloonuggets 06-07-2007 05:16 AM

Agreed on the forced by CN to do this for a sweeps period thingy. I pointed this out in the review I did on TV.com.

B0BSM1TH 07-08-2007 07:22 AM

Ehh...
 
I got this episode off iTunes before even watching it... bad idea. I thought this would be another great episode (such as Mac Daddy), but I realized this episode isn't really about Cheese. Just a little. Ignoring Cheese, this episode isn't really that bad. Sure, it's probably a C+, but it's still really funny. The whole Invaded series was really bad. Except for Billy and Mandy. I agree with the whole "stitched-together episode", but they could have made it a better stitched episode. Possibly a rebellion to the whole Invaded idea? They could really use some writers from Invader ZIM. That show was like, hilarious. And if they did, this show would have a cult following, although it already does... but a bigger one :D

cartman414 07-29-2007 11:19 AM

Actually Jackie Khones was the character I couldn't stand most of all in this episode, for reasons I discussed in his character thread.

MajorFostersFan 09-21-2007 09:28 PM

I didn't like the idea of Cheese being an alien.

cartman414 09-22-2007 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MajorFostersFan (Post 57211)
I didn't like the idea of Cheese being an alien.

He isn't. He was just being his usual random self.

Shelltoon 09-22-2007 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by B0BSM1TH (Post 49899)
this show would have a cult following, although it already does... but a bigger one :D

I would not say Foster's has a cult following, I'd more or less say it's more well known, loved, and popular.

KazooBloo 12-05-2016 12:15 AM

The ending always creeped me out.


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