When I said "expecting too much", I didn't mean from Frankie herself, but whether or not the series' crew and Cartoon Network would ever allow her character to do that... my point is that I'll be extremely disappointed with any future episodes that act as if Frankie never existed(ala MBION).

I agree that it would be great to see Frankie as the hero, hence why I mentioned it in the first place. Madame Foster got to be the hero in "Bloo's the Boss" and "Emancipation Complication", so her granddaughter(who does so much for the house and gets so little in returns) should have that kind of spotlight as well.

Maybe it's supposed to be some type of irony thing, you know, where a character whos works like nuts seem like they should some credit, but it doesn't happen. You know what I mean, right?






...don't eat me...

That was a bad, bad thing to say!! 8D

I really hope that isn't supposed to be the case. :(

I'm sure Frankie will get her heroic momant. An episode where she's the hero would be too much potential to pass up.:D

It would certainly make a lot of fans happy, starting with me. :frankiesmile:

Then Voxxyn. Then MM. Then FF. Then me.:wink:

Not to mention all the other Frankie fans out there! :frankiesmile:

Frankie is my second favorite character (my first being Coco, obviously). I do agree that she deserves more episodes that center around her that DON'T bash her. She's such a sweet person and a hard worker, and deserves better treatment than what she has been getting recently. Hopefully she won't be neglected in future episodes. :frankiesmile:

I would agree, It is a Irony type of thing, But where I come from we call that situation of lack of credit for once endevores LIFE. :(


Monty :-/

Once again, I don't really think that Frankie's going to get any episodes that's completely about her for the following reason.

Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends is a cartoon more or less aimed at children. Children find the adventures of Bloo and the rest of the imaginaries (with Mac and Goo along for the ride sometimes) far more enjoyable and entertaining to watch rather then see just what Frankie does in a day. I mean, Frankie is the 'Mom' of this show, you gotta see that. She cooks, she cleans, she scolds, she's basically the adult in the show. And little kids really don't wanna see an episode totally about the 'Mom' character. Doesn't mean she can't be a part of the show, heck no, she's quite a valuable resource in the show's integrity but she just doesn't 'sell' to the younger viewers.

At least, that's why I think she won't have a lot of episodes to herself.

Or a movie, for that matter. But that's just one little co-admin's opinion.

In a way that does make sense, but I don't think it's as simple and clean as just what the kids want. Yes the kids are the SOLE purpose of the show but it's definitely evolved into something much more then that and also, it's obvious that there is something deeper going on with the show.

For example, Wilt (from my expierence) seems to be much more popular with older fans and teenaged fans rather then kids. Kids like you said take more attraction and attention towards characters like Mac and Bloo, yet Wilt's movie gave him the spotlight. The other thing to note is Frankie's personality.

She is certainly far from what I call an "adult" simply because of her age and her personality. She acts like a kid in an teen's body sometimes, and age wise she really is more of a young adult or a matured teenager really. She's proven to be just as wacky and comical as the rest of the Foster's crew.

Plus whether the kids hate her or love her, Frankie has been established into the show on VERY strong integration factors. Kids have to know that the house would fall apart without her and they know the show wouldn't be the same without her. Every character at some point gets more air time.

I doubt madame Foster or Mr. Herriman are big with kids either, but they've both had chances to shine in the spotlight, some on more then one occasion and that's why I don't find it unlikely to happen with Frankie, kids or not. That's the way I see it and I think Craig and the others see it too.

Though to a lesser extent or degree, I definitely think they feel someway similar about this, the longer a show runs the harder it is to ignore opportunities will arise for their characters, both central and secondary.

CG's post was well-written and I respect her belief... I still found it upsetting, painful and downright heartbreaking to read.

You make Frankie seem as if she's a boring, ordinary adult character whose only purpose on the show is to clean, cook and be the 'secondary authority figure' next to Mr. Herriman. She is far more than just that; so much, much more. Frankie is completely unlike most other 'adult' characters on children's cartoons. To paraphrase and expand on what Ditchy McAbandonpants said on another thread: she can be a psycho cookie-eater, a love goddess, a rugged rebel, a stern authority figure, a put-upon object-of-sympathy, a devious schemer, a compassionate caregiver, a sarcastic wisecracker, a playful girl, etc--usually she'll be a combination of two or three of these things--and be 100% convincing at each and every single one of them. She's very dynamic and varied as a character, and I believe there's still lots of untapped potential for her.

I don't expect to see any episodes in which Frankie and her daily caregiving duties are the sole focus... just like I don't expect to see any episodes with nothing but Bloo pulling random pranks or Mac studying for school or Eduardo being scared of things or Coco laying eggs or Goo creating IFs or Mr. Herriman bossing everyone around or Madame Foster drinking tea(I'd add 'or Wilt doing good deeds for strangers' if it weren't for WTAWTAW). Foster's is very much an ensemble show, and it depends on all the characters to come together and mesh their idiosyncratic quirks to create the storylines and adventures for us to enjoy. That said(and I realize this could make me sound hypocritical), I do believe that Frankie adds a special touch that elevates Foster's from being a typical children's cartoon. She is so sincere and likable as a character, that she adds a great deal of depth and warmth merely by being there. I've tried to watch "Infernal Slumber" a few times, which is an amusing episode, don't get me wrong -- but it just felt so shallow and childish without Frankie. The same goes for "Make-Believe It or Not", which is even worse because it behaved as if Frankie didn't exist at all("Slumber" at least had a good premise for her absence). And I WILL be deeply disappointed if she's also absent in the upcoming "Cheese A Go-Go".

To me, Frankie is the true heart of Foster's. She should NOT be denied the spotlight just because it's a children's show.

CG wasn't saying that she felt that way about Frankie, though, nor was she saying that that's the way it should be. We all love Frankie, and we all know that she shouldn't be cast aside just because kids like the ~*~wacky~*~ young characters or IFs, but we're talking from a factual business-type standpoint here, and CN is ever eager to cash in on any immensely popular character and drain them of their funniness, for example.

I don't doubt that the crew knows how loved she is and would never dream of making her a one-dimensional background character, but an episode or movie entirely about her would probably bore the younguns. Again, I don't think this is how it should be or a good thing, but look what CN did with Cheese. Kids love him, so they keep using him in practically every episode like a thing that gets used a lot.

I would have to disagree with the thing about Infernal Slumber, though... while Frankie is always nice to have around, childishness (but not immaturity in the crude humor sense) is a crucial part of Foster's.

Also, I just thought MBION was terribly boring all around, and there was absolutely no explanation given for the mysterious absence of Frankie, Madame F., and Mr. Herriman. Even a simple throwaway line about where they were could have worked.

Wilt's character and personality seems like he would appeal more to adults and teenagers than children -- Craig himself said on the DVD that he mainly appeals to teenage girls -- and they did a wonderful job with his spotlight episode in "Good Wilt Hunting". They added lots of funny subplots and gags while giving Wilt a serious, emotionally touching storyline and character development.

I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Frankie. I refuse to believe it can't be done. I believe in Frankie too much to even remotely think it couldn't be done.

if i have to be the one to tell you, i will.

the show is about an 8-year-old boy [mac] and his imaginary friend [bloo]. frankie is a ordinary character actally, it doesnt matter that she's an adalt, its the fact that the show isnt about "frankie" its about foster's, thats why frankie doesnt have, or ever will have, a show all about her.

Well, that was harsh. Voxxyn is right; they did a movie about Wilt, and did it well; they can certainly do the same for Frankie, of that I have no doubt whatsoever, and I believe that someday they will. How could they not? There are so many unanswered questions about her, a movie seems to me to be the ideal way to answer at least some of them. Yes, the show is mostly about Mac and Bloo, but does that make her unimportant or inconsequential? I think not. She enjoys a great deal of popularity among older viewers - this thread is a wonderful testament to that fact - and I'm sure CN is aware of that fact. The show is an ensemble; every character should have his or her turn in the spotlight now and then, Frankie included. She has a lot of versatility and they can do so much with her; I look forward to seeing what Craig and co. come up with for her, and for the rest of the cast, too. :frankiesmile:

By the way, her name is spelled with a capital F, not a lower-case f. Same deal with Mac and Bloo. Show some respect.

That's EXACTLY what I just said.

OWWIE! That response while true, was like sliding on a razor blade in a pool of alcohol! You are talking to Frankie fans here.:wiltshock:

"Adult" more commonly spelled A-D-U-L-T.

We don't need a Frankie show, we humbly request a few episodes centered around our beloved. izat too much to ask? They responded to the Wilt fans, and i assume they'll respond to us.

Ease up on the caffine Tonto.

Thank you, Cass.

Logic and emotion are two different things. Logically, I do understand the point that people are trying to make about an adult's potential for spotlight episodes on a children's show. That doesn't mean it won't upset me emotionally. I love Frankie dearly; she means the world to me. I don't care what the poster's intent is, it hurts me personally to read about how Frankie "won't get any spotlight episodes at all".

Is it wrong to want to see Frankie get the spotlight? :(

You misunderstand; no one said they don't want Frankie to get any episodes about her, just that if she didn't, that would probably be why.

But I would have to disagree with vin in that... well, Frankie is a part of Foster's, and the fact that there are episodes about characters other than Mac and Bloo makes that point.... um, not a point, I guess. Foster's isn't a living entity, it's comprised of many different characters that are all equally important.

In any case, it wouldn't be fair if she was denied any future 'spotlight' episodes because of that. :(

Frankie getting new episodes centered on her is very important and means a great deal to me.

i didnt mean Frankie [note the capital "F"] is not important, i just ment she isnt a key factor in the storyline. Even if the show isnt about her, there is a good chance shess still going to be in every ep from now on, sorry vox

I have to disagree to an extent, vin. Frankie DOES play a big role in the series. However, the targeted audience is more interested in stuff Mac, Bloo, Wilt, Eduardo, and Coco than any of the other well-known characters. That's a fact, not an opinion. That doesn't mean Frankie won't get any major roles this season, however, I would not bet on anything right now.

That does not mean that they should neglect her at all. She is very important to me and, if this thread is any indication, to many other(older) fans.

Actually CG's logic isn't all that right, the show usually focuses on Bloo, Mac & Ed. We haven't seen a Coco episode yet & only have two Wilt episodes.Plus, there have been two episodes where Frankie was the main star (SAP & The Dumb Episode). I mean we'll never see an episode about her social life without the gang tagging along, that's how I like it. But she should have more episodes as should Wilt & Coco. Not to mention Mr.Herirman (who is a more boring character to kids than Frankie since he's just an office man) has an episode. Sorry CG, but your'e wrong.

I'm sorry Invader Bloo, but you're incorrect.

Coco had a few episodes thrown her way, 'My So Called Wife' brought her into the spotlight with Herriman. Then she had the brains to set off a trend of card trading in 'Cuckoo for Coco Cards'. Herriman was also the more main character in 'Crime After Crime', not to mention his Funny Bunny Dance in 'World Wide Wabbit'.

Eduardo has had a bit more then Frankie and Coco true, having 'Eddie Monster', 'Who Let the Dogs In', and 'Land of the Flea' under his skull laden belt. I can't really explain why he'd have so many episodes, but when did the topic turn to a counting game of seeing who has the most episodes up their sleeves?

That kind of takes the fun out of it. Sorry I stepped on so many toes, I'll keep out of this place if it upsets you all so much.

If for some reason there can't be any future Frankie-centered episodes, I'm hoping that Frankie's role will at least be the same size as she had in Season 4.

My big fear is that Season 5 will start in the same way that 2 and 3 did, in which the first few episodes seemed to almost completely ignore Frankie.

thats cus Frankie is only used when she is *needed*. Voxxen, foster's is *not* about "Frankie", please try to understand that. i wish it was all about Mac, and you want it all about Frankie, but it doesnt work like that.

Wow, a thread that turned into an ARGUMENT. I'm sorry, but y'all need to calm down a little. The show is NOT centered on ONE character, no matter how many episodes they're in; it's about MANY characters. Ever see a Socket-Tubey-centric episode? Or Jackie Khones? How about Creeky Pete? Well? Even if they're not major characters, they still are characters. And there's only a certain amount of characters the staff can place into an episode. Not all characters have a large (or small) part in all episodes all the time. Exception is Bloo, not even Mac, since there was at least one time where Mac didn't have a large role in an episode. (In Room with a Feud he didn't come in until the last part of the second act)

Therefore, we shouldn't be arguing about who has more episodes, CG is right; it takes the fun out of the show. So what if a certain character doesn't have a big role? They will someday. What's a character without at least ONE little role? One that never appears?

Think about it - is text arguing really worth it? What's a forum with people who can't accept differences? Vinny has opinions, CG has opinions, Voxxyn has opinions, ORD has opinions, EVERYONE has opinions, and each of them are of different views. Like them or not, they will not change for a dime.


This argument needs to stop, please. This forum was most likely not built to text fight, but to express ideas and opinions and whatnot. Even if I don't usually go to this thread, I'd hate it to be closed down because of arguing. Now let us move this behind us and move on, okay?

I don't believe Vox is asking for it to be all about Frankie Vinny and I think your misinterpreting the message here. Frankie is a character and not something to use when needed, she is a walking, talking, feeling, and affecting character just like anyone else in the show like Mr. Herriman or Madame Foster.

Vox (I assume) and myself are not asking Frankie to be ALL about her, but just to give her a little more of a taste of the spotlight. The creators of the show clearly don't have a problem with giving Frankie more center air time, otherwise they wouldn't have bothered pouring the money and resources into her episodes.

"Setting a president" and "Frankie my dear" cost money to make and they wouldn't make those episodes unless they felt Frankie needed some more screen time. The show doesn't have to be focused on one person just to give someone more elbow room to grow and develop as a character.

Furthermore, because Frankie lives IN the house, she's already integrated into the show on an important level considering the show focuses on the house. The show doesn't have to be all about Frankie or Mac or Bloo or anyone all the time, but a few more character centered episodes won't hurt anyone.

I understand that Vox doesn't actually want the show to be all about Frankie, etc; the problem is he doesn't come off that way. I do have issues about the way he reacts to other people having their own opinions, but I'll be honest, I don't believe he will ever be able to stop doing that.

I do want everyone to remember that it is not *necessary* for any one character to only have *one* discussion thread (especially a super popular character). If anyone wants to branch this thread off into say, a slightly more specific Frankie discussion, they're encouraged to do so. After all, this one has become largely a Frankie-worship thread (sorry, I'm using the term loosely, I'm not poking fun at anyone, but I guess you know what I mean, right?), which makes it awkward whenever someone wants to talk about something else in regards to Frankie.

It *is* okay for people to have a two-sided conversation on this forum, and I'll back up anyone who wants to do it. I'd start a new thread myself, but...I don't have anything specific to say, and I'd be breaking one of my own rules. :terrsmile:

Thank you very much, Mr. M; I agree with that completely. I NEVER said I wanted the show to be "only Frankie".

Considering how long it's been since we've had any new episodes and considering how Frankie has had so few episodes centered on her, it's either "Frankie worship"(And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, because she deserves all the appreciation we can give her) or speculation about future episodes.

And by 'speculation', I want it to be about actually discussing what possible roles she could have in future episodes instead of merely arguing whether or not she will have a major role to begin with. I don't like this argument at all.

Does this mean a new Goofball thread can be started, I was kind of upset that they locked the Goofball poll/thread, since every now and then new people were voting; dispite the Frankie worshoping in that thread.

MOnty :-/

(Quote only edited down because I didn't need it all, not altered)

Guess what. YOU don't get to ordain what people can and can not talk about on this forum. Believe it or not, other people actually like to talk about OTHER things regarding any single character besides all their positive traits, or what things they may do in future episodes. And they CAN, and I will see to it that they WILL, if they WANT to. Because *I* say so. Because this is MY website, and I made it for *many* people, not just a select few. You're free to make your own site. Pretty soon, you may have to, because this post of yours *really* went over the line.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

And you totally *made* me say that.

I didn't mean to say that others aren't allowed to express their opinions.

I'm sorry, Sparky. I really am. I promise to better my behavior from now on.

We'll think about it.

I like to think there's room in this thread for both adoration and discussion, and a discussion is what I thought we were having; it is perhaps a bit heated in spots, but it doesn't honestly feel like an argument to me.

Edit - Missed a couple of posts. Now it's starting to feel argumentative. :(

I prefer adoration. I just noticed that after I logged in, this thread was getting very argumentative. We could have either one or the other, but not arguments. :frankiemad: Sorry, if I was becoming argumentative.

i think the problem is that some people join cus they like one character and should be here cus they like the show.

no, you are the one misunderstanding. Frankie is a "character" [like i said before] that is only used when needed. why cant you accept this?