Not even making you love her even more? :-*

Anything we hear about Frankie is only going to help us understand her better and learn more about who she is. Even if the show never gives us any details about Frankie's life, that won't change how I feel for that beautiful little caretaker, or how her personality and warm heart have affected me personally.

I like her for who she is, anything I learn about her from here on in would only increase my attraction to her. Even if (and I stress this when I say HYPOTHETICALLY) Frankie either has a shady past or DID something shady that she feels awful about, we know after Wilt's experience it's now that matters.

Anything bad she may have done or got involved with doesn't change the wonderful person we know and love today. We know she's loving, we know she's caring, and that to me is enough to outweigh any crappy or conceivably bad thing she may have done or come from. Again I stress the hypothetical-ness.

I completely agree with Mr. M and apologize if my earlier remark caused any confusion.

Mr.Mashmallow certainly has a way with words and he's right completly. Anything thing that Frankie's past may show won't change who she is now. And like Vox said, it will most likely make us love her that much more.:frankiesmile:

She went through college and took a difficult major.

What do you think? Business/Economics?

We don't even know if it was a difficult major (not that any of them are easy). For all we know, Dylan just said that to ingratiate himself with her.

I really want to smack him. :frankiemad:

I think(or at least I personally like to believe) her major could be in child psychology. It would seem like the ideal way to understand what exactly motivates children to create imaginary friends.

(BTW, Cass, I'd like it if you made a "Dylan sucks" screencap, like you did with that other loser. :frankiesmile:)

I'll see what I can come up with. Might be an interesting project. :frankiesmile:

In "The Big Cheese", Frankie says that she's "a profesional caregiver". That could be a clue to she majored in in collage. Ofcourse, she could have just become a profesional caregiver from her time working at Fosters.

It may be an indication of what Frankie majored in. However, we really do not know much more than that right now. Maybe in a future episode, we'll know something more about what her college/university major.

I want to see that!:frankiesmile:

I'm really hopeing that we get a commentary for "Frankie My Dear". That could help clear some things up in regards to her past.:D

That's definitely not out of the question, Medikor. I think a commentary on this episode would answer many more questions about her past. We shall see.

I want a commentary on all of the episodes from now on.

I'd personally want an episode about her past. I mean Wilt got one, why not our beloved Frankie?:frankiesmile:

CN Block Party #31, featuring Frankie, is out now.

I'll look for it at Borders tomorrow or Friday. My antincipation and anxiety levels are meteoric as I type this.

Good luck on your hunt, Vox!:D

I have #30. She's not the star, but she does have a pretty good-sized role, and she looked great. Very much in-character, too. :frankiesmile:

I saw the screencaps of #30 on CG's blog. The comic creators did a great job, both with the art style(which looks almost exactly like the actual cartoon) and the story and characters. As usual, Frankie was hilarious and great in it. :D

Last night, I got around to watch the "Store wars" commentary on the Foster's dvd set and I got to say, as funny as it was hearing Bloo manipulate Frankie and Mac into ignorantly believing Madame Foster caused everything, I came across something very disturbing. In a sense, this commentary also makes me sad.

When I was listening to it I was really looking forward to hearing the Wilt prom remark. However when it came up, the way Frankie phrased it actually made it sound like it was a bad thing. Not that Wilt was a bad guy but it lead to the problem that I started to notice: Frankie is indeed lonely.

Frankie never seemed to show any signs of her social life (or lack there of) until FMD, and at the end the fact she was going to remain "dateless" except for 2 pestering boys and 2 pestering IFs, it was all done in a whole "oh brother" gag. However the commentary really reinstates the fact that Frankie is lonely.

Which makes me feel really sad considering how well I know the feeling :'(. I love Frankie and the way she spoke on the commentary reveals some very personal things about her, how she really wants to do normal things like concerts, boyfriends, and above all, actually shop like a normal human being.

She even said "I'm a girl, I need to buy stuff" or something like that. This really troubles me though, because being such a beautiful and loving person, the fact someone as amazing as Frankie can feel this way almost makes me feel disgusted. Someone said on here Frankie isn't really looking for dates.

That she's not really looking for a boyfriend and wasn't as upset with Dylan's break up. But I really think Frankie wants a boyfriend more so then ever, as ironic as it sounds, but I don't think Frankie always feels loved where she is. I think Frankie really sounds like she wants something much more emotional.

And hells bells, I sure as can relate! Half the people out there don't appreciate the simplicity of the fact that girls like them or would do anything for them. There are people like Frankie or as I have mentioned elsewhere, Sailor Jupiter who starve for love and almost always get rejected and left in the wind.

Where as you get other guys and girls who continuously cheat and flirt with other boys/girls, toying with people's emotions and just carelessly tossing away the love someone is desperately trying to give them. Like a guy who's married and has kids and then starts cheating on his wife with another woman.

What an idiot! Here you have a guy who has a life other people dream of having, and he throws it all away for some fling. Here you have a guy who doesn't appreciate what he has and the love and fortune has been given. Where as people more deserving, like Frankie, are still left out in the cold.

In a sense, the commentary has been a more insightful look into Frankie's emotional and mental status about her social life then even FMD was. I apologize if I've gotten really weird and out of hand with this, and I'll make sure to burn the soapbox I'm standing on once I get done with this.

But I feel I'm more drawn to Frankie now more then ever thanks to that commentary. It was funny but from another POV, it revealed a painful truth about Frankie's life and from one romance sucker to another, it kills me inside to think someone as fine and fantastic as Frankie is still left out in the rain.

You haven't gotten really weird or out of hand with this, not at all; indeed, you've pretty much summarized what a lot of us are likely feeling. The subject of lonliness has come up in this thread more than once, and elsewhere on the Forum as well. You've mentioned it, as have I, as have others. That someone as wonderful as Frankie, who we all see as someone who could have anyone she wants, it borders on being incomprehensible. But maybe that's part of what draws us to her; we sense, somehow, that she's lonely, too, and in that lonliness we feel connected. Because she's the kind of woman that she is, we want to reach out to her, want her to reach out to us. It's sad that she doesn't have a special someone, particularly when you know she has so much love to give. I know I'd give anything to be the lucky guy that she chooses, anything at all. And what is it with those guys, idiots all, who do have someone special and do horrible things like cheating on them or abusing them? I cannot understand that, not at all. How can you do that to someone you claim to love, someone who loves you? And yet these guys have someone, while a lot of really descent people, people like Frankie and Lita, like you and me and many others who post here, are left with no one. It just doesn't seem right, and it hurts so much. :'(

It really does hurt, and it's one of the reasons I find such connection and emotional attachment to cartoon girls as opposed to real ones. I've been where Frankie has been and I've felt that same powerful pains that Frankie feels, yes she's a strong woman and she's able to hold her own, but she's still lonely.

The commentary is indeed proof of that. Even if everything Bloo was doing to her was a load of crap about the mall incident, Frankie was the one who brought up her lack of social life and emotional trauma with Wilt. Let's be honest, Wilt isn't a bad guy but as Frankie put it, it is weird to have an IF prom date.

What Frankie did is a textbook example of how powerfully painful isolation can become. Frankie's need to have "someone" to go to prom with showed her need for a companion, someone she wanted to go with and the fact Wilt was the one she went with, shows she couldn't really find a date and that's deeply hurtful.

How anyone can't recognize what Frankie has to offer is a miracle to me, and I have felt that way for a long time. Frankie punching out Dylan proves she can stand up for herself, but in the end, she's still alone and it makes me feel for her. She was SO happy to getting dressed up when she dated Dylan.

And it's so sad when someone devotes so much love and only ends up getting hurt in the end. Take Fifi La Fume from Tiny toons, very similar. She's a compulsive romance nut and dreams of having her own boyfriend. But the fact she's a skunk drives away alot of people who can't stand her fowl odor.

In the "How I spent my summer vacation" video, Fifi actually found the skunk boy of her dreams, but he ended up totally taking advantage of the fact she'd do anything for him and ended up eyeing a prettier girl instead. Frankie's date can end comically or sadly, either way it doesn't change she got hurt.

Frankie is someone who deserves better and most of all, she deserves what others DO NOT deserve: love, family, trust. There are lots of people who don't deserve the girls that love them and it's a true crime against nature, and I can only hope and prey that the karma train one day comes and runs their ass into the ground for it.

Much like Frankie's fist did for Dylan.

I haven't listened to the commentary yet, as other's comments about it left a bad taste in my mouth, but I'll listen over the weekend sometime. That someone like Frankie could be so lonely... it hurts like "Imposter's" hurt. Believe me, I know what it's like to give my heart to someone, only to have it shattered; I think I've mentioned my ex-fiance now and then. I could never treat a lady the way she treated me. It was very tramatic. I may not be much, but I deserved better than that. I've moved on, but the scars remain, and I still need someone to care about. Frankie is easy to care about, because she is a very caring person herself; I want to reach out to her, and I want her to reach out to me as well. She's overworked, underpaid, surrounded by often ungrateful IF's, has little social life, and is lonely, yet is so dedicated, so compassionate, that she won't turn her back on that situation. How could anyone not love this woman? Who wouldn't want to reach out to her and say, "I think you're special"? I can't help how I feel about Frankie. Stars know I tried to fight it two years ago, when I realized I was falling for her, but she's too compelling to turn away from. I couldn't not care about her, and love her, if I tried. :frankiesmile:

Here, here. I'm by no means perfect nor am I what any girl would call a "dream date", but I feel I have alot to offer and I think women really don't appreciate what I am truly capable of, just like everyone inside and outside of Foster's doesn't really appreciate what Frankie does.

Frankie may not be real but if she was, I'd sure as hell would comfort her as much as I could. I'd let her know she doesn't need assholes like Dylan and that she deserves WAY more credit then Herriman for keeping the house in order. Herriman does more rule enforcing then actual house structuring.

Frankie does everything from diapers to toilet scrubbing and instead of being thanked, she usually gets yelled at for how "poorly" she's doing her job. Any manager would sell his own feet to get someone like Frankie working for em. She's a sleeping beauty, sleeping under everyone's radar and attention.

And one last thing, I make you guys all a bet. I bet you any conceivable amount of money, that if ANY guy knew just how dedicated Frankie is to the people she loves and the places she works at, they'd be banging down her doors before she could even blink.

Anyone who knows Frankie as well as we do knows she's worth devoting your whole life towards. She'd never insult you, mistreat you, and above all, she would NEVER cheat on you. Frankie would never toy with someone's emotions or refer to you as property, she's someone who appreciates what she has.

If she had kids and a husband, she'd devote every waking moment to making them both happy, and anyone who even thinks of cheating on her with another woman is truly an idiot. Because he has no idea what he's missing.

Wow... some wonderful words by Mr. M and Cass. :'(

This is something I've mostly kept quiet ever since I first became a fan, but now that it's been brought up on this thread: I've always believed that Frankie is lonely and an outcast to some extent. She's friendly and sociable and gets along with nearly everyone, but she devotes literally all her free time living with beings that are considered by society as inferior, at the expense of a "real" life and job. That has to be seriously damaging to her social status and image.

While it's baffling to us that someone like her would be slighted in such a way, I do have some objective reasons why. Aside from the obvious stigma of being a glorified nanny-janitor to things that many deem as useless children's playthings, the tantrums and outbursts provoked by her job could potentially lead people to wrongly perceive her as an angry, hateful, bitter hag-of-a-girl. And I've noticed that in the ocassions where considerable attention is attracted from the outside world--the mall antics and subsequent ban in "Store Wars", the joyriding bus and cops in "Bus the Two of Us", the failed television exposure in "The Big Cheese"--that Frankie is often seen by others in a negative and uncomplimentary light. It all detracts from the wonderful, loving, big-hearted girl that she truly is.

And it seems as if Frankie isn't entirely satisfied with her physical appearance, at least as seen in that kitchen scene with Coco in "The Big Picture". This is especially true with how thin her legs are, which I've noticed is the exception instead of the rule in the Foster's universe. Many other adult female characters on the show(The dog owner's girlfriend/wife in "Who Let The Dogs In", Erin Peterson, the Deo television supermodels) are portrayed with normal-length waists and legs. That could make Frankie secretly insecure about the potential of her physical 'desirability' with same-age single males, especially in a modern youth culture obsessed with quick thrills details over depth and substance. Also, Frankie can as often be as insecure and shy as she is strong and independent; she was very nervous in her date with Dylan, she was sincerely hurt and saddened when Bendy called her a wannabe, etc.

It's indeed a tragic shame... but at the same time, they make me love her and care about her even more. And I'm sure that's true of everyone else here. :frankiesmile:

Well, Frankie may be lonely, but apparently she's not lonely enough to fall for guys less-than-perfect(Chris, Douglas, Adam).

I don't know what point I'm making, so I'll just leave now...With my short-posting self...=P

I know this is off-topic, but just to let everyone know, I won't be here for a couple of days, as I'm off to see my Uncle in Cooma, down south-west of where I live. So, I'll see you guys later (probably when I've purchased the DVD! :frankiesmile: )

Chris, Douglas, and Adam were not by any means people that could be fallen for because they weren't really in LOVE with Frankie, they were more infatuated with her. Kind of like how Mac was, but I personally think Mac had justifiable reasons. I mean she kissed him :D how many Frankie fans got that treatment?

But anyways, Frankie didn't fall for those guys because they were too obsessive of her. Dylan may have been a prick but he at least knows that drooling and constantly bowing to a girl's beauty every waking moment is going to scare people off. It freaks people out and it certainly unnerved Frankie.

Being lonely and being with someone who's obsessed with an image of you isn't much of what I'd call an even balance. Vox is certainly right about Frankie's "public" image. Every time she goes out in public, people seem to constantly catch her in her worst moments and think ill of her.

Lady in the mall at "Store Wars", news reporter at "Big Cheese" and etc. They always catch her in bad moments and ignorantly assume that is how Frankie always is. And while it is true she does have a temper problem, I think that's just apart of personality and not something that makes her a bad person.

I agree with Vox on the physical appearance though too. Frankie dresses certainly very elaborately when she goes out on dates, it's possible she maybe does that to hide the fact she's a little skinnier then most people. Which is a shame that Frankie should feel negative about her body.

She's got nothing to be ashamed and nothing to feel ashamed of, there's much more to a person then just how they weigh, and certainly more to Frankie then those bad moments people keep catching.

Frankie may have the insecurities and problems that I and Mr. M have listed, but that doesn't mean she should blindly lower her standards because of it. She knows that people like Douglas and Adams and Chris don't truly love her(well, I'm undecided on Chris, but he hasn't showed any real deep feelings yet); at best, they see her as an exceptionally hot redhead chick and nothing more. At the same time, she's turned down the muscular Prince Charming(rude and perverted) and the handsome-looking Dylan(complete jerk), which means that Frankie is NOT merely being superficial.

I have no doubt that Frankie's ideal boyfriend would be someone with the personality of Mac: honest, intelligent, helpful, openminded, compassionate, etc. She flat-out says at the beginning of FMD that she wishes that all men were like him. Dylan actually seemed like an adult Mac before his true nature was revealed.

I know that I'm definitely NOT 'date' material, but even if just as a friend, I'd treat Frankie the way she should be, and that's as a decent and hardworking human being who deserves more respect instead of a walking lust object.

This is my 1,000th post on Never Forgotten, so in celebration, I'll repeat the first three words I said on my very first post: I love Frankie. And I forever will. :frankiesmile:

I agree completly and I feel the same way. But the impression that I got from the commentary was more of a "Frankie having probloms relating with other humans" than an "I'm lonely and want someone to love me" kind of thing.
I think it was to show that she just wants to fit in and not be "that Fosters girl", if you know I mean. Yes she has her friend Kathy but I think Frankie just wants to feel less weighed down with her Fosters life. But we know the she definetly loves what she do'es and would never want to abandon Fosters and the imaginary friends.
And congratulations on your 1oooth post, Voxxyn!:D

Now this may seem a little off topic. But Frankie reminds me of those girls in those teen movies who are unspeakably nice and adorable, but they're made fun of constantly. Then they get a makeover and then they're the talk of the school or whatever and then the hunky guy finally likes them and they decide to keep the look. I'm just going on record to say I hate when that happens.

Why can't the guys ever just accept these kinda girls for who they are instead of trying to change them to suit their status? I would shudder if this ever happened to Frankie, for it has happened to several other cartoon characters in the past. Although they were ancillary characters, so I guess we can count on no major changes happening to Frankie, or at least not of that nature.

Oy, for the second time today I think I've lost sight of my point.

That technically kinda happened. When Bloo saw her in her new get up in 'Frankie my Dear' for example. He never saw her as 'hot' before that moment, did he? Whilst Mac was the good lil' boy he is and just fall for her cuz she's just a really nice friend to him. The kiss probably didn't help things either.

Actually Monk, your a bit closer then you realize with this whole "she's all that" geek image make over. Only off on two things. 1 Frankie's look even by a non Frankie's fan standards is hardly what i would call geekish, Frankie never really did need a make over, she just dressed for the occasion required etc.

And 2 No one ever really said Frankie needed a make over, which brings back to my point about her self esteem/confidence: she needs some...BADLY! Frankie may not have been told or ripped on by someone about her looks, but it's clear by Frankie's choice of clothes during FMD that she feels shy about her body.

I don't think Frankie personally thinks she is attractive, at least not in general. I think Frankie feels she needs to dress in those kind of outfits to get a guy's attention. Bloo NEVER reacted to Frankie that way until he saw her outfit, which shows obviously she really wants someone to notice her like Bloo did.

Mac thankfully isn't as shallow, the kiss from Frankie is what won him over and a sign that he already appreciated her gentle nature and simple forms of affection more so then Frankie's physical beauty alone. Not MUCH but it is something. But back to my point, I think Frankie feels she lacks a hot look.

I suspect the fancy dresses are a way of compensation. Plus, being in a place where she gets no thanks, no forms of appreciation, or any compliments of any kind, it's no surprise Frankie doesn't feel good about herself. Frankie had to remind everyone how she takes cares of them in "Setting a president".

You never heard an IF show any appreciation towards her work prior to that. No one argues over the fact Frankie loves her job, but I think she does need a day off now or then and get some chances to be more open and accepting of herself in the real world. Or better yet, how about a simple THANK YOU?

Seriously, I simple "thanks" can go a looooooong way, especially considering the fact that Frankie does everything whether Mr. Herriman or Madame Foster are there or not. They could both be on a plane trip to the other side of the planet and things wouldn't be the least bit different far as Frankie is concerned.

Yeah. I realize she's not geeky. I thought it was a bit off-topic. I just hate it when shows and movies support the idea of someone who's just fine as they are now can only get what they want if they change to suit somenone else's needs.

I'm not talking about compromise like most relationships require, I'm talking major personality overhaul.

Well, how many girls would go on a fancy date in a worn-out green sweater they wear every other day of their lives (and, furthermore, scrub floors in)? Just sayin'. I think that's pretty normal behavior.

Well determines what a "fancy" date is. I doubt Dylan took her to super pricey restaurants every date, might have been somewhere as simple as the movies or something. I'm referring to the pink dress of course.

Errr, wasn't the night with the pink dress an ordinary night out with Kathy and the other friends? I thought she merely got acquainted with Dylan(jackass :frankiemad: ) at that time, and that the following night(little black dress) was the actual date... unless I missed something... :wiltshock:

And Dylan really didan't seem to wear anything more than what looked to be casual cloathing. That probobly made Frankie feel a little awkward.:(

What to wear on a date is sometimes the most difficult thing to work out. Depends on where you're going, what you'll be doing, that sort of thing. She probably knew beforehand that it was a resturant since I doubt I'd wear a little black dress like that (if I could...) to just the movies and a drive thru.

But yeah, the black skirt and pink top were the combo for the night out with the friend Kathy, where she obviously cuaght the eye of Dylan since she looked incredibly spunky for a night out on the town.

Gottay say Dylan was a quick mover. Met her one night, fancy resturant the next. Even if he dressed wrong. But then again he probably had the worst intentions in mind.

The thing is from what I understand is Frankie CAN get men, but they are usually jerks (Dylan) or annoying (Douglas,Adam). She can't find the man of her dreams.

P.S. Marshmallow I'd watch your back from now on, I know there are Wilt fangirls who wouldn't feel akward about bringing Wilt to the prom & probably might of been offeneded by that. You know how we would get on someone's case if something about FRankie was said. So watch out! ;)

Except I'm not the one who said it, FRANKIE did. Those were Frankie's own words, and anyone who's bought the set and listened to the commentary will be hear it the exact same way. I'm not doubting the legion of Wilt fangirls would like to have him at her prom, but Frankie is NOT one of them.

Frankie wanted a boyfriend or some sort of human guy friend. To her, bringing an imaginary friend to a party was probably just like if she brought a cousin or something. There's nothing wrong with Wilt nor do I have any beef or problems with him. I'm just saying, slip on Frankie's shoes for a day.

See it from the way she saw it and understand why she felt that way.