While I didn't get to see a showing where they showed the ending sequence by itself, from what I could tell it was just the pictures of everyone's imaginary forms again in a slideshow format. Whether there was any dialogue or not, I'm unable to tell.

ORD, if I seemed like one of those "Bloo is evil x100" folks from TV.com with my "all-time low" remark, my apologies. I love Bloo, and think he's a very hilarious and unique character, along with nearly everybody else here. But I still it was very wrong of him.

Whether it's three seconds of Bloo turning his back on his best friend, or twenty minutes of Frankie being completely abused and cruelly denied thanks to a mooching jerk named Goofball, some things are just unforgivable and inexcusable, no matter how you put it.

Is there anyone on this forum who has never done something unforgiveable, inexcusable, or just plain STUPID? Anyone? Speak up! I'm not one of them, since I've certainly done plenty of such things, and likely will do some more before I die, because I'm HUMAN. Foster's is a character-driven show, and if we are going to really be able to suspend our disbelief for a half-hour or less each week and find these bits of pixels to be real characters, real PEOPLE, then face it-from time to time, some of them are going to either DO things that are unforgiveable, inexcusable, or just plain stupid, OR they're going to have such things done to THEM. It's life, or in this case, an animated facsimile thereof. As Lauren once explained, you cannot have a character-driven series, in which people really relate to the characters, if everyone is always happy and holding hands and everything is perfect. It won't work. There's going to be conflicts, there's going to be hurt and heartache, and there's going to be things that tick off fans. I didn't like it when certain characters said or did things to other characters, but I am not angry with the show's creative team and I did not hate the episodes in which those things happened. I forgive the one character in particular who's done some things I didn't like, and that character actually remains one of my favorites.

pitbulllady

Well said pbl. Well said. Some are taking this way too seriously, for a split second event.

Well anyway; I finally saw the episode last night. It downloaded with a few hiccups along the way but I personally loved the episode. I'm not gonna over analyse anything tho. I sometimes do, but I don't feel I have to now. You guys have gone well beyond the duty of picking things to a skeleton.

Goo was well handled, for once. She's not a character I can normally associate with, but she was really well done here.

The glamour shots were amazing, they really were. Wilt's reminded me of Transformers, something I haven't thought back on for years. Mac’s of course made me think if Speed Racer, a show I never really watched or got into but I at least caught the reference. Bloo’s made me think if Conan the Barbarian. Goo’s was cute, all girly and sparkly like that. I didn’t catch any reference, if there was one. And Eduardo’s gave me cavities I swear. Very Power Puff Girl orientated to say the least.

I enjoyed it very much. The use of imagination against imaginaries was I think, a stroke of genius.

I think the point of the terms "unforgiven" and "unexcusable" aren't being acknowledged here.

I totally agree with you Vox. Human or no human, there are somethings you CAN'T let go.

Welp. Can't lead a horse to water and make him drink if he don't want to. You guys think what Bloo did was so unforgivable that he deserves this kind of talk then that's your choice.

I just also wanted to add I loved the reference to Hitchhiker's Guide to the movie. How Bloo and Mac were tied up to the speakers were very reminiscent of the scene in the movie. Nice nod I think.

Good, I thought I was the only one that caught that! I love how they put those references in there. It makes the entire show even MORE fun to watch! 8-)

Awesome!
 

My 9 year old daughter and I watched this episode and were absolutely enchanted! The glamour shots were awesome and a stroke of genious. Our favorite was Coco as a Tyranataur ... exploding eggs? Inspired! I mean, that can't be beat! And I also thought the peak into Goo's house and her braids down and everything was very intense.

All in all, I'd say this was an A+ episode (all debates on the Bloo-man's behaviour aside) because it is definitely allegorical.

Think about it ...

If you can imagine it, or envision it, it can happen.

Implies that we can have so much more control over our lives than we ever thought.

And whoever wrote that episode actually gets it.

Kudos!

They seem to be doing that a whole lot recently. It's great.

I was wondering if anyone else saw that and thought, "Ah-HAH! Vogon poetry!"

pitbulllady

Vogon Poetry is only Bad if you have a Babble Fish.

otherwise you cannot understand it anyway.

Monty :-/

It may not matter. My rotten upstairs neighbors play music in a language I don't understand, and let me tell you, it's bad. :P

We're getting desperately off-topic, here. Back to the episode, anyone?

I know some people did not like the way Bloo ran into the room and shut the door and did not let Mac in.

I thought that part was great. IT was classic comedy. something one would see done by Buster Keeting, three stooges or Marx Brothers to name a few.

Yes it was a shame that Mac got caught, but Classic comedy is sometimes cruel. But that does not stop it from being funny. (For example Charlie Chapplans Tramp character was always being put down Cruel and Funny)

Then to finish the sceen:
Bloo looked both ways
came out
Looked up
GOt Caught.

That was Great comedy.

Just my 2cents & helping to get the thread back on track.
oh, and good point about the Bad Music Cassini90125
Monty :-/

Spoiler Below

Haha, B from me.

Very good point, and I can easily agree with it. The only thing is, Mac and Bloo's relationship as best friends has kind of been slipping since the second season, and there are very few episodes that focus on them just hanging out and being friends (such as this seasons' "Squeeze the Day"). It's not this scene in particular that disturbs me so much as how opposite the two are becoming on a whole. While the two have always basically been opposites, their friendship was also always obvious. Recently, it's become more like their differences are making them hostile towards one another (though, in all fairness, Bloo is usually the agitator). Now, the scene in this episode didn't disturb me nearly as much as it did to some of the others here, as it was counterbalanced, in my mind at least, by the scenes of Bloo and Mac just being buddies here, such as Bloo's comments and odd little form of support to Mac during Goo and Mac's "one-up" contest.

But I do agree; a lot of us are probably overanalyzing the situation between Mac and Bloo, and that the scene here was just a nod to the older forms of comedy. Still, it's hard not to overanalyze it sometimes, considering how rarely we really see Mac and Bloo get to just hang out. :P

Still, one of my favorite episodes this season, though it's beaten by "Squeeze the Day" and "Bloo's the Boss".

Speaking of the "one-up" contest, it was refreshing to see Mac engage in some fairly childish behavior. He needs a chance to act his age more often. In a way, I think that's one of the reasons I liked this episode as much as I did: despite the apparent "threat", it was, on a whole, a fairly light-hearted episode that really appealed to the child in me. Again, it was nice that there was an episode where Mac got to act as a child, as they're far too rare.

Same here.

Hearing Mac, who usually has to be so sane and reasonable while surrounded by crazies, say "like a million miles an hour!" made my day.

That, and I just loved that he used "child logic" to, proclaiming how you could obviously "freeze" time but not "melt" time.

Not only that, but it was nice to see that Goo wasn't the only person with an over active imagination. It takes alot of creativity to keep up with a "fight" like that and make up some many random ass objects and things that do this and do that.

Mac proved he's just as good as Goo and it was nice to see Goo get HUMLBED for a change. What's even better was I thought it was a smart move to make Goo be apologetic about the whole issue and not gloat over the aliens capturing Mac and Bloo.

Had she let her ego get in the way, she probably would have gloated over her creations but as we saw, she showed true modesty by accepting responsibility for her mistakes and trying to fix things. Usually Goo doesn't get "knocked down a peg", so it was nice to see her bossyness take a break.

Btw, I agree on 2 other things mentioned previously:

1. Tickling CAN be torture. Anyone who laughs non stop after a while knows your jaw, your voice, and your chest will hurt like HELL.

2. The door thing like I said is disturbing, but it does play in part to the bigger picture and that's Bloo's status with Mac. This was just another notch in Bloo's friend bashing belt with Mac and that's what really bothers me. This season Bloo has shown LOTS more negativity to Mac then positivity.

Though I myself can't see it at all, since there's been little or no proof of any such thing, it seems Bloo sees Mac as trying to be "higher" then him. He does say, "I'm not his SIDEKICK!"
Huh, wonder why that bothers him so much. :confused:

Uh, because Bloo wants all the attention in the whole world. He's an attention hog. Why? Because he thinks if he dosen't have the attention of everyone present he's not important.

Once again for all our sakes... IT'S JUST A CARTOON!!!!

Wow, you're going to get a lot of people irked with that comment, myself included. Clearly, some of us here don't feel this is JUST a cartoon, but rather a form of art and something we are huge fans of. Please don't say stuff like that. If you don't like these sort of discussions, simply don't get involved.

That being said, I do agree with your reasons about why Bloo acted like that, makes sense to me. I forget how much of an attention-moocher he is.

Yes,it is just a cartoon, but like LaBlooGirl said, its also a form of art that many of us care deeply about. Not only that, but it's only natural for people to gain some form of emotional attachment to the characters they're viewing, especially if they've been watching these characters for the past two years. It's only right for people to feel irritation and uneasiness to see Bloo act the way he did because, as its been going, Bloo and Mac have been jumping down each other's throats WAY too much this season. I'm hoping there'll be a bit more reconciliation between the two next season.

I agree completely. Like I've said in other threads,I was hoping this episode would show a kind of "karmic turn-around" for Goo, who's life so far has otherwise seemed almost completely positive. It was the right move to show her apologetic for her mistakes and knocking her ego down a peg.

I agree! It's amazing cartoon. It's different than other cartoons in that it can sometimes be much more satisfying than other cartoons. But it is still a cartoon.

I love this cartoon otherwise I wouldn't be registered here. But it remains a cartoon. And that's not a bad thing.

I agree with you, LaBlooGirl. Saying "it's just a cartoon" really is a put-down to the series, the people who work VERY hard to create it, and the fans, by insinuating that just because this show is done in an animated medium, it's somehow inferior to live-action tv series, which it's not. People who watch theatrical movies often say things like, "it's just a tv show", to put down anything on tv; people who are into live theatrical productions say stuff like, "it's just a movie", to put down films. Being an animated series does not make Foster's any more or any less entertaining or thought-provoking than a non-animated series; the writing and acting on a series make the difference there, regardless of the medium in which the series is created.

pitbulllady

Did I say that?!? You're putting words in my mouth guys. I did not say that it's worse than live action. All I meant by it was to say that life goes on whether Bloo shut Mac out or not! Sheesh! I'm not insulting anyone. I thank the entire Foster's crew right down to the janitor who keeps the floors clean in the studio for providing me with an amazingly entertaining show. I'd rather watch Foster's than any TV show right now!

Stop flaming me and stop putting words in my mouth. I just wanted to remind you all that life goes on.

Let's just chillax. No flaming is going on here that I can see, but I think bigdog meant not that Foster's is "just a cartoon" as opposed to live action but rather "just a cartoon" as opposed to real life, which it is. It is fictional, even though it's a wonderfully thought-provoking and entertaining show, and it really says something about the crew that we can have such intense love for their characters and intense hatred for others, and spend dozens of pages talking about them.

Amen to that! :grin:

PBL wasn't flaming you, if you want to talk about over-reacting. We're just very passionate about the show! I can tell you like it too, but whether or not you think we're going overboard with our reactions to certain scenes could have been done better than writing in bold, capitalized letters, "IT'S JUST A CARTOON!!"

That's what I'm talking about.

But certainly there are no harsh feelings against you. Besides, you're entitled to your own opinion as well as anyone else, that I can't deny. ;)

I get what you mean... It was slightly rude to put that in capitals (because it kind of seems like you were shouting...)... But hey, you're right.

I'm not flaming you, because I do agree. It IS only a TV show, in some ways, because there is more happening in the world than just Foster's.

At the same time, it's not. This show means SO much to so many people. It has many devoted fans and an awesome crew... What more can the show need?

Not flaming you, just giving my two cents...

-Marty :goo:

You see why I chose not to get into this discussion anymore? :P 8D Keep it cool, guys. If you cannot, then please, avoid this topic. Thanks. ;)

I don't see anyone getting "over-the-top" yet....strong opinions getting thrown around but there hasn't been outright name-calling or punches thrown. LOL

Of course, when discussing GWH this may occur after all.... XD

If people's feelings are getting hurt, then yes. Things are getting a wee bit over the top.

Foster's isn't really just any cartoon.

Most of the children's cartoons that air on both Nick and CN split each episode into two 11-minute stories, and live by wacky slapsticky humor and situations instead of any kind of storytelling depth. That's not a personal bash towards any of them, it's the simple fact.

Foster's devotes it's entire 22+ minute-per-episode runtime to a single story, which is very rare for a cartoon that isn't an adult primetime sitcom or action-oriented. This leaves a lot of room for the story to be given depth, and for the characters to be developed and fleshed out... and thus causing the fans to form such a deep attachment to them.

IMO, I don't watch Foster's just for the comedy. The comedy is a big part, but it's not because of the plot driving the characters, but the CHARACTERS driving the plot. It's a very character-driven show, and I personally watch to see what the characters will do next, regardless of the outcome. Sometimes it'll make me laugh, sometimes it will touch my heart--and sometimes it'll completely BREAK and SHATTER my heart. It's affected me in a way that no other show(cartoon or live-action) has. I love it.

(That said, I still think that IHFUMEUP is evil and doesn't deserve to exist)

Thank you, thank you, Voxxyn-I could not have put it better myself! No, it's not "real life", but it has many situations that closely mirror real-life, situations that we can personally relate to, and that is something you don't see much on tv in ANY form these days.

pitbulllady

You're over reacting, Voxxyn.

No one is saying Foster's is 'just a cartoon' as in something that shouldn't matter. No, we're not. You're putting words into my mouth if that's what you're getting at. Foster's is a good show, not just good but great. But what you and a few other people do is over analyse and criticize what is meant to be just harmless fun over characters that technically 'aren't real' is what's so disturbing.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m as much a fan of this show as you guys. But sometimes I just like to sit back and enjoy the episodes rather then nit pick every little detail and over analyse what the character did and why. Sure, now and then I theorise, but never do I go to the point of arguing with fellow fans over if something was in character or not.

So Bloo locked Mac out of a room. There's much worse that's happened. Wilt shoving Herriman down a flight of stairs, anyone remember that? Or Bloo making Mr. Herriman almost break his back by making him fall down an even BIGGER set of stairs.

We all know the Space Nut Boogies were really no massive threat, like a killer, their only torture device was a tickling machine and Goo's singing. Not really THAT much of a threat, really.

Am I making excuses? No. So DON'T make it seem like I am, or that I'm out to put down anyone here. I'm just stating what I see, and what I feel. If you guys can go on about one moment, while stepping on people's toes, then I can say this.

But sorry if I have, it’s just this thread has been causing a lot of distress and concern over what’s being said. Please, let’s not ruin the fun atmosphere here by letting this continue. Please.

there are plenty of 30 minute-length children's cartoons...

Foster's not perticularly unique in that respect.

::dies:: This was such an awesome episode that it nearly replaced Frankie My Dear for me as my favorite. Nearly. Very nearly. It unlocked so many childhood memories! Especially things like "Nuh uh! I have super powers! So you can't capture me!" "Oh yeah?! Well, I can turn into a mermaid! So you can't catch me!" This is exactly why I find Fosters so amazing. <3 <3

OH, GOOD WILT HUNTING TONIIIIIIGHT! ::salutes Lord Snotzak:: Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

I think that particular aspect of this episode was what made it so great for me, since it was SOOO true to how young children think and function and interact with each other. I, too, can remember playing those make-believe games and trying to top the next kid's imagination. Problem is, many children just cannot do this anymore; they're too dependent on electronic things, and that was the whole point of that episode. Not just children, mind you-Wilt was there to remind us that us grown-ups also sometimes tend to really get hung-up on electronic media.

I still think it would have made for one of the funniest scenes in the history of the series, though, for Frankie to have walked through and spotted Wilt in his "Lord Snotzak" persona. There would not have even had to be any dialog-facial expressions alone would have sufficed(and for me, some of the funniest Foster's moments ARE those in which a character says nothing, like the scene in "World Wide Wabbit" in which Mr. Herriman tries to film Bloo and Mac doing something stupid), though Wilt's attempt at explaining just WHY he had a lamp shade on his head would have been side-splitting!



pitbulllady

Actually, if you listen closely, it's Lord Snotzax. With an x. ^^ It's amazing what you can learn it you're obsessive enough.

I love this episode. LOVE IT. Number 1 on my episode list. I mostly explained why already on the Wilt thread, so ya.

:terrence: But listen to yourselves! Discussing stuff is fine, but when arguements get like that, it's NOT cool. IT'S NOT WORTH ARGUING OVER. We're all friends, calm down! We have differing opinions, SO WHAT? Let it go...

O.O Woah. Did I just type that? It doesn't feel right, with me being so much younger than alla ya'lls...Feel free to tell me to shut-up-shut-up-bo-but-up, etc. I don't mind. It puts me in my place. o.o

No, you're right InsaneFan. We're like a family here, and even though we are different and all have different opinions, that's no reason to be riven. At the least we can agree to disagree.

As for the episode... it is my new #1 favorite! I liked everyone in this episode (even though Bloo DID shut Mac out, I don't think he intended to get Mac hurt... I mean, maybe he was just REALLY scared and wasn't thinking clearly? Even though Bloo is selfish, I don't think he'd EVER intentionally put Mac in danger.)

I enjoyed seeing everyone's alter-egos in this! Even Wilt, who didn't want to play along at first, had one of the best ones (I say ONE of the best, because I don't think anything beats Mac's "Rex Carsalot/Speed Racer" character, and Ed's is REALLY cute!)

To me, it was really light and refreshing to see them all act like kids.

Plus, if I'm getting the line correct, I love it when Bloo says "YOU HATH BEEN OWNED!"