I see.

It's true that Frankie could have (and should have) calmed down and put on her rationality glasses. I think it's easy to see why she didn't, though. Most folks I know would not act rationally if they were spooked and caught out in the rain. It's a very human reaction by Frankie; not very fun to watch, but fairly realistic at the least.

As for "Duchess of Wails"...
I always took the scenes of Mac getting pelted with produce to be a parody of the "epic" battle scenes in those fantasy movies. The fact that the imaginary friends were "defending" the house with produce was kind of funny. I suppose seeing Madame Foster directing an "army" was also supposed to be silly.
I can see why you didn't like it. I'd liken your opinion of that scene in "Duchess of Wails" to my take on Frankie's freak-out in "Blooooo", if I may.

I'm a little tired tonight so I can't really stretch this out as long as you may want it billy but here's what I got:

The thing with Frankie that didn't bother me as much as it did with Mac was because, Frankie is one an adult and someone who deals with hard crap in her life on a regular basis. Working for Herriman is no doubt a stressful expierence, but she manages to get by.

Seeing her think that friend was a monster or a killer is something we would all typically do, unless we tried to calm down a bit. We fear that situation because we don't know what's out there or who is out there, with "Wails" that wasn't the case.

While I am not doubting nor am I disregarding the obvious comedic elements to beating someone with a barrage of fruits, it's still a form of "attacking". And to me, seeing Mac getting so intently smashed and "forced" away from Foster's was kind of hurting.

Fruit or no fruit, it's a terribly hurtful expierence to have the friends and loved ones of your life try so hard to keep you from coming back. Like when Goo first arrived and Mac was being asked not to come back to Foster's because of his "relation" to her.

Which I felt was unfair seeing as how Mac NEVER said Goo was his girlfriend, and he was being blamed for a girl beyond his (and I imagine her parents) control. Anyways my point is that Frankie was scarred, it's a crappy thing to have happen to you but people get over getting freaked out.

It's easier because it happens on accident, in the movies, in TV and etc. Getting told verbally or physically (fruitfully in this case) to stay away by your friends who are working with your worst enemy, Terrence, that just hurts. Or at least that's the way I saw it.

It's more along the lines of seeing your friends turn against you being damaging and pain, that's how I feel about it.

I'm thinking people may be going a little deeper into these events then the writters intended. The big battle in "Whales" was a parody of the battle of helms deep in the Lord of the rings the two towrs. They werant out to give Frankie a hard time in "Bloooo", she just worked for that episodes subplot. And I found it very funny to watch. Probobly because I would react the same way she did.

You stretched that out fine, gave me plenty of insight anyway. And really, for the most part, I agree with you.

Now, I see that the situations are different. But it seems that you don't enjoy the latter part of "Duchess of Wails" for ultimately the same reason I dislike most of "Blooooo"; we both find those respective parts difficult to watch, we don't enjoy watching them.
In that way, I think, our opinions are similar.

Now, if they'd just hurry up and start showing new episodes we could talk about what Frankie did in them. Rehashing is fun, but one can only do so much, ya know?

I guess it was just the whole idea of everyone you know and love turning against you that sounded worse to me, at least Frankie's incident was more "self done" if that makes any sense. But I do think we have gotten a bit off track.

In any case, the reason this thread was made was to talk about Frankie and that's what I want to do now. Bare in mind I did enjoy our discussions billy. I love Frankie because for one thing, I think she's a truly admirable character with a down right sweet yet wacky adorableness to her.

While I would much rather see her be happy then hassled, I can't help but laugh at her amusing banter and screaming matches with Herriman. And I think her zero tolerance in dealing with Herriman is what gives her some of her charm.

I think she's funny, kind, but also down right attractive. I was right there with Mac and Bloo when she came down in "Frankie my dear", it's amazing what a new wardrobe can to do someone. I also find it funny that Frankie is awfully mature for someone of her young age.

I'm EXACTLY her same age and I'm no where near as responsible or as amazingly well balanced as she is. She's more mature then her own grandmother, which is funny considering her grandma is down right bonkers. But anyways, I'm glad Frankie has become more involved in the show.

Even if she's getting scared out of her panties in "Bloooo" or repeatively getting soup splashed in her face in "Bus the two of us", it's nice to see her taking a more active and apparant role in the show, much like Goo and Cheese. Although those two are mostly due to their popuarlity due to their insanity.

I enjoyed the discussion as well. Thanks for letting me bounce my opinions off you; glad you enjoyed the conversation as well.

So thats two of us who are the same age as Frankie and have a special place in our hearts for her... Shall I recomend pistols at dawn?8D

Pshhhh, you're going to end up with an army at dawn, from the percentages I've seen...

We will be the silent majority no longer... ;)

LOL! Many would say we are pretty sad to find a cartoon character attractive! But I say it's a testimet to her wonderful character. Her personality is wonderful, and she's even a beuty. But Grey Delisale is certainly a big part of Frankie's appeal. Her performance and voice are perfect for the role.

what do we have to be noisy about?

I just think she's worth celebrating. :D

Definatly!:D

You'd be quieter if you switched to crossbows. ;D

I find it amusing that people consider us to be sad at finding an animated character attractive, when in fact, history has been laced with cartoons designed to draw sex appeal. Frankie is no different, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it's no different then finding a comic book character attractive.

Consider Minerva Mink from Animaniacs, or Lola Bunny from Space Jam (Looney Tunes) and tell me how an obvious sexual appeal can't be noticed in the way they are drawn? Or want a better example? Jessica Rabbit, nuff said! A fantasy is just that, a fantasy and there's no harm in having one unless it causes harm to someone.

Frankie isn't the first toon (if you consider this style of animation to be "toony") that I've found attraction in, but again like you said Medi, alot of it has to do with Frankie's personality and the fact she's just such a generally sweet nature to her. She's always been friendly and supportive with Mac.

I say there's nothing wrong with loving something or someone, be it fictional or factual, unless it's causing some kind of harm to someone else. Otherwise, keep those praises coming ^^.

Phew! I finally read the last 7 pages.

It wasn't homework, he was trying to figure out which train would get him back home the fastest! Frankie just assumed it was homework because of how he said it...Plus the fact that word problems in math sound like that.

And why do you guys say that Goofball was a jerk? I, personally, don't think so...Though I probably shouldn't've said that. XD What with your army of crossbow-wielding fans....

Watch the episode again. I only call him a jerk because Forum Rules prohibit me from calling him something a bit more descriptive. ;)

Goofball isn't a jerk...he's a "EXPLICIT DELETED".

No just kidding, but the reason he is by all accounts a jerk was because he purposely and I repeat PURPOSELY went out of his way to bug the crap out of Frankie. Bloo has never been as lazy, rude, or insensitive to people's feelings as Goofball is. Don't get me wrong, Bloo can be a real pain, no doubt.

But Goofball knew he was being rude to Frankie and he did everything that would set her off, just minutes after she fixed/cleaned something. Frankie was harped on by everyone (even though she was wrong in the end), it wasn't right for everyone to so quickly doubt her or to think she was slacking off.

Herriman, I can see. I am not surprised by his behavior in the least bit but everyone else was a surprise. The set up was obviously to shock us all into realizing that Goofball IS an imaginary friend, but that doesn't change the manner in which he treated Frankie or how he so carelessly aggravated her.

His species doesn't change his attitude. There are good people and bad people in the world, imaginary friends are no different. Look at Bendy.

my mistake then. Canadian accents sound funny to folks like me from down southways, so I guess I misheard.

A good example of how the writers tried too hard to convince the viewer he was not an imaginary friend, though.

Very well said, Mr. Marshmallow. There was a lot of inexcusable behaviour in that episode. To this day I can't bear to watch it again. :(

I agree, it's hard to take that episode without grinding your teeth or just feeling bad for her. Like I said with the whole "Bloooo" episode issue, Frankie was treated badly by a BAD person and even though she made mistakes in both episodes, the guy tormenting her in "Bloooo" wasn't reallying trying to.

That was partly her fault where as this was all squared firmly on Goofball. But Frankie is a strong person and a sweet one at that, she gets peeved and loses it from time to time but as you can see, she isn't the type of person to take it personally. Even when Bloo ruined her date in "Frankie my Dear".

She's good as gold inside and that's one of the reasons why I like her and Mac so much, because they both are really decent people. Even Goo in her youthful ignorance can be down right rude or annoying sometimes, but Mac and especially Frankie are by nature sweet and very kind and caring people.

Well the difference is that Bloo dosn't intend to hurt people, he's just so fixated at whatever whim entered his head at the moment that it completely fails to occur to him that something else is going on. Goofball is just... well he acts like my brother at his worst.I mean really atcs like my brother, who will to this day make dirty dishes and laundry, kick me off the computer crush my legos and make me get stuff for him (I've stopped objecting, but i'm ready to cheer as he's going off to california for winemaking and i'll never ever ever see him again muahahahaha! Where was i?)

But I don't want to. :P

Indeed. My personal favorite example of this is from "Busted". Upon discovering that Bloo and the gang had been responsible for all the messes she'd had to clean up, she responds with "Guys, this isn't cool..."
That's all? It just isn't cool? That's an awful nice response, I'd say.

It was funny as well.

And that's what makes Frankie so awesome. She could've said, "How could you guys do this to me?! I hate you all!" and run off to cry in her room. But she didn't.

In my opinion, Frankie is far more appealing to me than most fictional female characters I've seen, in animation AND live-action. Her attractiveness is something that is very genuine and wholesome while still being downright foxy, instead of being a cynical attempt at pandering to the lowest common denominator.

And Frankie is vulnerable. Even though she's one of the show's most level-headed characters and can be the "beacon of reason" when needed, she is also fallible and, as we now know, very prone to getting "the short end of the stick", even when it's completely uncalled for. Believe it or not, I find that refreshing. I HATE it when females are portrayed by the mass media as being completely infallible and goddess-like, and I LIKE that she doesn't get special treatment by the writers just because of her gender... even though it's a character I love and care about.

I agree, it doesn't seem that there's much between "Princess Peach-esque damsel in distress" and "I am STROOOONG, I am INVINCIBLLLE" female characters and Frankie is a perfect balance. She's like a real person, instead of the writers trying to make her a butt-kicking.... something.... just so she can appeal to feminists and pervy guys alike.

I like Frankie, shes attractive, but still has a personality :-* unlike many attractive girls in cartoons.

which is why she's so entertaining.
It's not easy to create such a human character in fiction.

And that also goes to show how talanted the writers of the show are. I actually daydream of what it would be like if I ended up working at Fosters (if it were real ofcoarse) and how I would interact with the characters.
I could see myself actually being the peace-keeper between Frankie and Harriman. Getting between them and trying to find a happy mediam in whatever they are arguing about.
I could see myself insisting on doing the jobs Frankie would rather not do (clean the toilets and stables) and takeing her out of the house if things get too heated. I would just try to give her the slack she desrves.
About the only character I probobly would have trouble getting along with is Bloo, but I would try anyway. Wilt, Co-co, Edwardo, Mac and Frankie would all be easy to get along with. I think I would get along well enough with Harriman. He reminds me of my grandfather. Bloo would just need alot of care. The slightest thing could set him off.8D

Don't we all? :bloogrin

I certainly do. :frankiesmile:

I sure would, that would be LOADS of fun but I think I'd probably end up like Medikor said and having to seperate Frankie and Herriman when they start getting antsy at each other. I would also try and help Frankie out with the cleaning, not only cause I DO in fact like to clean but also for brownie points :-* .

I would have no problem with Wilt, Mac, Eduardo, or Coco (unless I can't learn her language). Bloo would be a problem and I think even the most patient person can lose his/her cool around him. He's loads of fun but I think if anyone was working there like Frankie is, I doubt we could tolerate him for very long.

Watching him is one thing, but actually LIVING with him and cleaning up after someone as messy, crazy, and troublesome as Bloo is another. It's amazing Frankie puts up with it as well as she does.

Well... I wouldant just help Frankie out because it's just the right thing to do, but because it would be a sudtle way to win her heart. ;)

That's kind of what I meant with the brownie points and all ^_^ I'm on the same page.

:D Great minds think alike, I guess. At least we're not Jerks like that guy she dated in "Frankie my Dear".
And Madam Foster would be a hoot and a half! She reminds me of my own grammother. By the way: What episode did Frankie wear that green puffy dress in you're sig? She look unhappy in it, but she looks cute!

Frankie wore that green puffy "little girl" dress in "The Big Picture" because her grandmother made her dress like that for the annual photo.

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Well, she made it look good. But I still like her casual, everyday look the best.

You and me both. It just looks, I don't know, so "right" on her. :frankiesmile:

Not that the dosen't look good in her dresses from "Frankie my dear". ;)