YES! RETURN OF THE SHREDDER!! I would definetly go see that movie.
Too bad Mako won't be doing the voice of splinter again. :'(

Mako from Conan? He was funny 8D Did he die?

I'm with emperor26 on this one, I much prefer the '03 series to the '80s series. And Fast Forward really was just a shell, no pun intended, of that series' full glory. It seemed that this group of writers actually knew how to balance the dramatic weight with comedy. Plus, I can really get behind any American toon that can pull of series-wide continuity, rather than the usual reset except for a two-parter mentality that you usually get.

But Mr. M is correct, it's a definite minority when it comes to the amount of people who prefer the '03 series.

The 80s series no doubt was more comedic and goofy but, it's something many people grew up with and whether something is bad or good or cheesy, the fact it is apart of your childhood always makes a big ass difference when it comes to liking a TV show.

Like Power Rangers for example. Yes the dubbing was off, the kids dressed weird (color costume accordingly), and at times they gave us cheesy lessons. But o n the plus side they gave us great action, incredible monster fight scenes, and kick ass theme music with giant robots and a skinless bad guy on prime time TV.

Power Rangers like the 80s Turtles both have their camp to them, but it is apart of my childhood and I'll love it no matter how Shredder was depicted. I also especially loved the wide cast of VERY colorful variety of mutant bad guys and good guys the show did. I also think the 80s drawing had more detail to it.

The new show has a more smooth, rough free look to it. Where as what I loved about the 80s is they detailed the characters down to the smallest nick nack on their outfits. From the bullets on Rocksteady's shirt straps, to wrinkles and veins on Krang's body. I have never seen such detailing before.

Only one other show I grew up with had that much detail and that was the classic (but mostly forgotten) Bucky O'Hare cartoon series.

He passed away last July of esophageal cancer.

awww dude :(

"i'm a wizard, mind you!"

love that movie. good actor.

Nostalgia alone is not enough to sway my opinion on the merits of animated television. I'm going to have to go with quality.

As for the detail, of course a lot was sacrificed for both fluidity of motion and to cut costs. I'm reminded of the skyrocketing costs on some of the old Jeff Kline produced shows from Sony, namely Men In Black: The Series, Godzilla: The Series and Extreme Ghostbusters, all fine shows of course, but it would crazy to not realize that the animation ran the team ragged and that money cut one of the shows short. Lower overhead means longer lasting show, which unfortunately often times means sacrificing detail. But as long as the story and voice acting are top notch, and the animation is well above stick figure madness than I'm game. Not that I'm against a well-written stick figure animated show, it's just that Sticking Around 2: Ninja Turtles, a production by Nelvana, doesn't apeal to me.

Alas, it really doesn't matter anymore. The '03 series is all but wrapped up. The new and official continuity of the Turtles in moving pictures is of course the current film. Which I guess is great, because we don't really need three separate worlds in continuation in so short a time.

Nostalgia value though to me is worth my attention any time of day, nothing can replace my childhood memories, nothing. And even though I do like alot of modern shows like Fosters and JL: Unlimited, they will never be held on as high a pedestal as shows like the old TMNT, Darkwing, Bucky O'Hare etc.

One thing that I was always happy to be free of is comic book "authentcity", to me that means nothing, it really doesn't matter to me. I really don't care how much or how little Turtles, Teen Titans, or Batman or anyone was like their comic book counterparts, it just means nothing to me. I mean it might be interesting once in a while to know it, but I won't lose sleep over it if they don't be accurate.

Like in Teen Titans when their final season (5) came up, the big fuss was seeing the comic book oldie super heroes Doom Patrol brought on screen. They were BORING! I don't care how close they looked or acted like the comic book Doom Patrol, there was seriously nothing really amazing about them.

The only time I ever get upset with "changes" done to a character is when they do a complete overhaul and end up having no tie in to the original character only by namesake, or just change one REALLY drastic thing like making Shredder an alien instead of human. That gets my goat awful bad.

But other then that, comic book authenticity or tie ins or anything like that really doesn't mean alot to me. I watch comic book shows and movies the same way I watch regular shows and movies: If I am entertained, that's all that matters to me. Being closer to the book or comic doesn't mean it's going to make me love it more, whether it's enjoyable to watch will make me love it more (or less).

Nostalgia gets me nowhere. All it makes me do is wonder how I could like such crap when I was younger. Now I can't call the old TMNT crap, because I haven't laid eyes on the series since the 10th season wrapped up. What I can glean from my memory serves to verify, for me anyway, that the '03 series was superior in plot construction, voice acting and overall execution.

As for staying true to comics, there's a certain line that you do not cross. That line is the one between keeping the spirit of the source material, or just throwing out a name that may be familiar so you have some sort of launching pad. All the things you've named above have stayed on the good side of that line. However the level at which they can be enjoyed varies from product to product. I'm not even going to go into the many things that have crossed this line. Oh yeah, the Doom Patrol ruled in Teen Titans. It actually made me more interested in Pre-Crisis DC than I had been before. Besides they're getting a movie of their own soon, though not with that line-up, and it was a great way to test them out with fans and general audiences.

Like I had said before, Shredder being an alien has never bothered me a bit. A bit of a backstory change, but overall, he retains his persona as a ruthless enemy and a cunning intellect. Was it a change I would've done? No. But it's also not a change I disapprove of.

Any change that results in either a gender or species change is quite a BIG change. The Doom Patrol in Titans were shallow cardboards. All it did was waste Judge Reinhold's talent in a few lines, made Mento look like a jack ass, and proved to me that just because it's from a comic, doesn't mean it's going to be entertaining to watch.

No matter what source material Turtles or anyone draws from, if I am not entertained it could be a carbon copy of the character from A to Z, still wouldn't mean I found it "fun". Turtles may have been a goofy kids show in the 80s but considering people who saw it WERE kids, it's hard not to see why they did it at the time.

Kiddie shows I used to watch don't seem silly to me at all because I knew at that place in time that is what I wanted to watch. I didn't even appreciate Rita and Runt from Animaniacs until I saw them at my current age, back then I scoffed them off. So naturally something like 80s Turtles would seem amusing to a kid because it was made for kids.

Shredder may have been a bit comical, but he was still a villain and a villain I liked. The new Shredder was totally bad ass....until I found out he was a Men in Black alien essentially. I'm sorry but I will never forgive that image of Shredder. That'd be like if I found out Slade from Teen Titans was just a robot and the human being Slade NEVER existed.

And yes while I KNOW Slade used robot doubles on the Titans many, many times, I always took comfort knowing the real human being Slade still existed and that his image was not a false one (false being a robot in this case). Shredder to me is a bad ass human who was able to hold his own, control, and prove his "metal" against freaks of nature. And to me, seeing him reduced to an alien in a robo-jumpsuit is just soiling, down right soiling. But that's me.

Actually, when it comes to comics or things based on comics changes of gender or species is not as big of a deal as one would think. They happen quite often and for very contrived and convoluted reasons. Shredder never lost anything from being an alien. He retained all of his usual history. He just gained another identity and an additional thousand years of backstory. And despite being an alien, he was every bit as human as his alter ego. In fact that was a major plot point, that Shredder had essentially gone native. It just happened to be that he chose to cling to the dark side of humanity. I thought all of this was great character development and made for a really good story, and they really sold it too. They didn't cop out and have the real Saki stuffed in some unnamed closet while an alien masqueraded as him. You know the usual comic book cop out. Besides is a little thing like this upsets you than some of the changes the comic book does to its own continuity would make you rip telephone books.

As for the Doom Patrol, the somewhat two dimesional portrayl of the 60s sqaud mixed well with the overall theme of the episode and indeed the entire season, that the Titans had outgrown their teachers and masters and are now the keepers of their own fates. Although it probably wasn't intentional. The real reason why the Doom Patrol may have seemed so flat is because the actual stars of the show and who would ultimately be the story arc's main villains required more depth than a team that was going to be phased out in two eps and ultimately were only there to serve as exposition. Borderline lazy writing? Yes. But if you look at it my way you sort make more peace with entire thing. Plus I still thing it was cool to see the Doom Patrol on tv, especially after I read more about them. And dropping at least one stars' secret identity wasn't going to hurt the show a bit.

I actually don't follow comic books that well outside of Spider Man and Batman, and I don't own any of their issues (except one) I just know about their histories through internet web sites, Wikipedia, and comic book encyclopedias I buy and/or get as gifts. The changes don't really affect me because I don't know what's being changed.

Even after finding out what has been changed, I find it still doesn't bother me. But I know enough about Shredder to know he is NOT an alien, that changes his existence entirely. He can be as ruthless and menacing as the human Shredder, but the fact is, I still find him being an alien a perversion of the character because no matter how cool he looks, he's still.....a fake.

That's essentially the problem. He is not real, he is a costume, a persona, a shell, his TRUE form is not the Shredder, the Shredder is merely a toy he is controlling. That's what bugs me. I have always liked human villains who have no powers because they prove they can hold their own against heroes with super powers. Like Lex Luthor, Syndrome, The Riddler, Slade, Kingpin.

All of them are completely human and have no "super powers" or any kind of unnatural ability. The fact Shredder is revealed to be an alien in the show not only discredits his identity status, but also his "power status". If he was a robot suit, he could have been capable of much stronger and more powerful feats then what he did on the show.

Something that advanced surely could be capable of much more destructive capabilities and prove more useful to the whole alien/robot suit thing. However, don't bother saying it was the "element of surprise" or "keep them fooled into thinking he's human" because that to me makes no sense. If this Shredder really wanted them dead, he wouldn't bother half assing his skills.

He would use all his abilities to kill them and if that alien can produce a toy sophisticated enough to walk, talk, and fight like a human, it can certainly go the extra mile and do a bit more. As for the Doom Patrol, they could have been on for 2 hours in an episode and I still wouldn't have liked them.

A good enough character can hold his/her own and prove to be interesting even in a few minutes, sometimes without even saying a word. The Doom Patrol seem to be uninteresting people to me, hell, Beast Boy didn't even seem to get along with them that well and he used to work with them.

It's the same with characters like Killer Moth. While his "The Batman" image was more accurate to the comics (again DC encyclopedia), the Teen Titans version to me seemed more interesting even though he was totally different from his comic book counterpart. He was more lethal, evil, dangerous, and formidable.

I never knew a thing about him when I first laid eyes on him, whether he was a comic book creation or just a made up bad guy like Billy Numerous was. But the fact is I enjoyed him none the less, I was entertained by him and I enjoyed him. Didn't matter how accurate or inaccurate he was.

At the end of the day, no matter what source material anything comes from be it a book, a video game, an anime, a cartoon, or a TV series, if I am entertained then accuracy will always take a back seat in my book. If some things are accurate and do tie in, that's great, more power to them, but not being accurate will not make me angry or make me verbally crucify the creators for not doing this the "right way".

Actually, if you read both Pre and Post-Crisis issues featuring Killer Moth, you'll find that both are techincally accurate. While Teen Titans is obviously a representation of Post-Crisis Charaxes, minus the cannabilism, and the Batman is Pre-Crisis wacky 60's villain that actually mixes in the Charaxes origin, minus Neron of course.

Though flat, I still enjoyed the Doom Patrol. I always will like the Doom Patrol. While not being all they could've been in those two eps, that little taste was enough for me to like them. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

As for Shredder, you're forgetting comic book and tv logic. Sure from a realistic standpoint it would make sense for the Shredder to kill the Turtles right away, but by that view, it would be impossible to beat the Flash, the massive collateral damage by superheroes would've killed more people than they've saved, Batman would simply kill all of his villains and so on and so on. Shredder not dispoing of the Turtles is simply another victim of the logic that is serial storylines.

I can understand you being upset with the changing of Shredder's species, but I really think it's no worse than putting Doom on a space station and endowing him with superpowers. For me it's a storyline that worked. We're at the point where we're forced to agree to disagree.

As for the subject of nostalgia, I would willingly throw many of the worst ideas from my childhood to the bin. Childhood memories will never stand over quality. I also don't stand for the, "It's for kids" argument. The best shows and movies can entertain kids and adults alike without pandering to either. If I remember correctly Star Wars was also for kids, but that didn't stop it from being the phenomenon it became. The best shows and movies supposedly aimed only at kids are the ones that reveal new levels as the kids get older, not stay in a nostalgia-lined time warp where they're forced to send their minds back 10 years to recapture lightning in a bottle. Just to give an example, as a kid you may have liked Mr Rogers and loved the trolley going to the land of make-believe. As an adult you come to appreciate some of the long-dead special guests, the once in a lifetime trips to factories, and the complex piano playing of the great John Costas. No, the best do not pander, they simply try to be all they can be.

Uh actually Batman killing his enemies was never the point I was trying to make. Every villain more or less is trying to KILL their opponent. My point was it was illogical to have a robot suit that is clearly capable of doing more and not use its full potential since Shredder IS trying to kill the ninja turtles.

He always has, every TV show, every cartoon, every movie. My point was that the Shredder suit could have easily killed the Turtles since its built by alien advanced technology and since the alien wanted to kill the Turtles, it makes no sense why the alien would have held anything back.

I know it's a show but the point is we have to take the characters as if they were real and look at it from their POV. Far as Doom, no matter how he got his powers in the movie, he was still Dr. Doom, not a creature inside a Dr. Doom suit or costume, he was Dr. Doom and that's my issue with it.

Doctor Doom never had powers. Well, he did, but he only acquired them through keen intellect. Giving him powers actually sorta undermines what intellectual boundaries he overcame simply to gain them. A small change that results in a rather huge character difference if you ask me. But I've enjoyed pretty much all the Dooms thus far with McMahon standing as my least favorite.

And the potential thing figures right into my point about Batman not killing. It's illogical for him to leave them alive. The prison and mental health institutions might as well have revolving doors in every cell, the redundancy of continuing to just apprehend his opponents. If would just simply snap a neck, no more lives lost by the hand of the Joker, Scarecrow, take your pick. He's completley capable of it and yet he holds back.

Same with the Flash, would anyone who could move faster than the speed of light honestly ever have any trouble with anybody?

Let's use James Bond, if only someone would've stabbed him or shot him in the head instead of explaining the plan and then using the world's most elaborate death trap.

What I'm saying is I think you're using comic book and cinema's natural fallacy with logic against Shredder as fodder for why you don't like how they've changed him. If you don't like him because they've changed his species, that's fine, but don't lay the logic bomb on him and then hold back on practically every other villain and hero strewn across the fictional landscape.

It's nothing to do with cinemas it's the fact that his suit is under question, not all other villains or movie villains or anything like that. What I don't like is Shredder in this show has been reduced to a toy, a suit, not a person but a toy version of what could have been. Far as Doom goes, the only thing that was tweaked was power accquistion.

He didn't shoot thunder clouds out of his mouth or sprout dragon wings, he is still Dr. Doom. The only thing that was tweaked was how he gained his abilities, now had they changed his abilities and what they'd do, that'd be a big problem. But it's like Spider man and the web shooters thing. That was a change, but not so much a change as say finding out Peter Parker is from Venus or something.

Far as Batman goes, he follows the same logic any other hero would: NO killing. Batman does not have the right to take the life of another, nor does any other super hero deserve to. Heroes only do it if it's a last resort and even then, I bet you a million dollars they mentally tear themselves apart for the rest of their lives over it.

Superman could easily kill Lex Luthor or any of his foes, but the fact he does not stoop to such a level shows he is better then them because he has not let the evil they represent corrupt his identity. Batman Begins made it very clear:

Henri Ducard: Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share.
Bruce Wayne: That's why it's so important. It separates us from them.

Every life is sacred, no matter how disgusting or despicable that life may treat others. Every super hero (sans the Punisher) never takes the life of another, no matter how much easier their life would become if they did. Batman knows if he killed Joker he would have saved many, many lives.

But if he resorted himself to taking Joker's life, he'd be no better then Joker because he made the decision that he should die. Turtles is a prime example. Look at the first movie, Splinter had no intention of killing Shredder. Shredder dropped himself into that garbage truck, and killed himself by knocking all that debris on top of his head.

Yes, but do you see how illogical that is. Any good law enforcement officer would put down a suspect if it meant saving an innocent citizen. Just because it's superhero law doesn't mean it's logical. Besides, don't pull out Batman Begins as an actual defense. The logic goes in and out on that movie. There's a microwave transmitter that makes water turn to steam but leaves humans alone? Even if it was somehow designed that way, a few tweaks here and there would have been much more effective than any fear toxin ever could be.

And superheroes do kill. Just ask Wonder Woman, she killed Maxwell Lord at the end of the first volume to Countdown to Infinite Crisis. SHe had to to save Superman. You do what you must so others may live or die.

So Shredder not killing the Turtles does not undercut his abilities, he's just another in the long line of victims of comic book logic.

Now, instead of arguing about what you don't like about the '03 series and what I don't like, or at least what I can remember about the '87 series, can we talk about what we liked about them both. I would really like to hear what you liked about the '03 series, minus Fast Forward, seeing as I've heard all about that already.

That was my point exactly, HAS to save it. It's all a matter of "life in danger" thing, it's only used at the last possible point and not something you do just to make your life easier. Also, your Batman logic is talking about scientific logic, not sociological logic. The gas they used was just that, a gas to infect people.

Not blow them up. But physics in superhero movies is a redundant thing either way so anyways, your forgetting the fact super heroes are not IN the law. Not really. If they were apart of the law, they wouldn't be having secret identities, colorful costumes, and doing all the things that they do.

Every costumed character exists outside of the law and realistically, is not bound to DO anything because of this costumed life. It is what you choose to do with your identity that makes you good or bad. The Turtles for example don't have to fight evil or crime, they choose to. Shredder doesn't have to be evil, he chooses to.

Superheroes could easily kill IF they wanted to, but the fact they hold killing in such a way proves there worth because they are choosing not to kill even though they could easily do it. Same thing with Vash in Trigun, same thing with Goku in Dragon Ball Z, they have all shown this "no kill" policy.

Batman provides another good example in "Mask of the Phantasm". Look how he fights crime, look how Phantasm does it.

Yes but they do enforce the law evem if they are outside of it and seem to be bound by the same ideals. Realistically speaking, most heroes, sociologoically would be shut down weeks if not days after their debut. Their unchecked power and collateral damage poses too much of a threat to regular life. Mostly the only heroes you'd ever see if they did exist would be government or corporate sponsored and easily controlled. The "no kill" vigilante landscape in so many hero comics is simply a pipe dream. If you don't think so, take up a skill and start busting some heads in the next few years on the street, get all your friends to try it too. Not trying to insult you, I'm just saying that true sociological or psychological logic does not apply to the nature of superhero comics and their tv spinoffs.

I mean really think about it, it would've saved Gotham a lot of pain, especially Batman, had he just killed the Joker. No philosophy about it, after he racked up his first 1,000 kills and jail and Arkham don't seem to be working, it's time to put this guy down. And the same can be said of many other villains as well.

So now that we've both covered that we're both to stubborn to budge on this issue, can we please move on?

Now that we've officially moved on, I'd like to say I love the Technodrome of the old series. It gives me a nice Kirby vibe, and a little of ol King Kirby goes a long way with me.

I also like to say I love the detail that was brought into designing New York. In subsequent series even the fantastic CGI movie New York could've been Anyplace, USA. The 87 series and movie were pretty much the only ones that tried to realistically convince us of the story's location, and location for a story like this is important.

All I mean and state on the no kill policy is things the superheroes they themselves have said or done. Murdering a villain no matter how horrible they are would torment them mentally for days on end, just as bad as if the villain killed many innocents like you said. My point here is just the guilt.

Krang is one of my favorite aspects of the 80s series since were on the Technodrome. As much as I love him and that super cool robot suit of his, I think it would be wise to not bring up the whole Dimension X thing if he ever came into the movies. Mainly because I don't think it would do much.

The fact he was in Dimension X didn't really have much baring on the show other then we knew he was located there. The dimension itself wasn't used much and had they said the drome was buried underground somewhere, would have worked just as easily. I guess what I am saying is the fact he's from X is fine, just having the technodrome always being there didn't do much.

Like I said before, the one thing I love best about the show is the huge cast of characters and the animations on them. They had LOADS of mutants on that show, all detailed quite vividly and were colorful, unique looking, and always got my attention. I always like seeing variety of monsters, mutants, and freaks when it comes to bad guys.

And what the 80s series did so well was introduce me to so many characters, characters not even the new series brought in. Guys like Ground chuck, Dirtbag, Slash, Wingnut, Mutagen man, Mondo Gecko, Rat King, and Baxter Stockmen. And like I said before, this image of Baxter was one I enjoyed regardless if he was white or black or Asian in the comics.

It was actually a big deal for me because I had never seen someone use the idea of a fly as a villain or a mutant like that, I liked it and I found it interesting to see a fly as a bad guy. Not to mention the fact his appearance was just so memorable with those big red eyes, ripped lab coat and that whiny voice of his.

I much prefer the less comical and homicidal Baxter Stockman of the comics and the '03 series. His perserverance is nothing but astonishing. The fact that he's been killed several times and yet continues to fight even when he has no body. A very formidable opponent indeed.

I actually prefer the mutated fly version of Baxter Stokmon. That's the one I grew up with and identify him as. But the 03 series version has his charm. The way he always shows up with less and less of a body is one heck of a running gag!8D

Same here, the "Less body gag" I have actually come across that joke many times in other media. Swamp Thing, Dragon half, Sonic the hedgehog, Digimon, coming back from death like that certainly isn't anything new.

I personally just can't place that kind of "gag" on a science type villain like Baxter. Like Medikor said, the fly version is what I will always identify him as and whenever I see or hear the name: the fly is always what pops into my head.

Fly guy was all but eradicated from my memory until trawling wiki history. The gag works because his genius is the only thing keeping him alive. If he were just a hired thug, he'd be long since dead and completely unable to construct another shell for himself.

As I had said before, growing up with something usually has little bearing on how I evaluate things now. The rotund doctor turned human fly is just too farciful for me to take seriously.

Another thing I liked about the '80s series is the news crew. If there's one complaint I have for the new series is the total lack of peers for April. It's like she existed in a vacuum consisting of her uncle, parents and Baxter Stockman prior to her run-in with the Turtles and Casey. And she acts way to worldy to possibly be a shut-in. She obviously went to college and the like, where are her friends from there? Not that I want a full shift in focus, I'd just like to know that April has a life outside of computer programming, antiques and Turtles.

April was quite possibly the most "impacting" image of the Turtles show. Call it what you like and mock it all you want, but that "banana suit" of hers is an iconic image that like Baxter, will always be apart with me. Like the fly form of Baxter, it's an image of April that I like even after comparing to other forms.

April in the 80s series had something else I liked: likability. I've seen plenty of TV shows and movies who have reporter women/men who do anything close to sticking their heads in lions mouths to get a story, April was nice, spunky but not by any means an obnoxious idiot like most characters fall into this area.

I liked her genuine kind nature and her relationship with the Turtles, the movie touched on her connection to the Turtles very nicely as well. The one thing the 03 series (in my opinion) did right was hooking Casey Jones and April together, they are a sweet couple and I loved seeing more of their love in TMNT.

However, the 03 series Casey Jones had a TERRIBLE accent, it just made me teeth crack. Baxter Stockman in the 80s series was also a pretty impressive villain in the sense that he went from a whimpering geek, to a monster freak who even managed to come back from the dead, and even get a hold of alien technology.

Coming back to life however doesn't always require science, death in comic books or characters of "super powered" nature can bounce back from anything without science.

Yeah, Cassey's voice and accent in the 03 series is terrible. If 4Kids had a better well of voice actors then the show could have been more appealing to me. Another voice that really annoys me is Michelangelo's. He's supposed to be obnoxious, but not because he has such a lame voice.:(

The accent for Casey is something that's never bothered me. Overall I find the voice work to be better on the 03 series because there seems to be no "winking at the camera" moments that happened a lot in the original series. The moments that were set up as an obvious joke or laugh. They of course try and sometimes succeed at humor on the '03 series, but seem a lot less desperate to please.

Yeah, but what I meant was that the only reason Baxter Stockman is still alive in both comics and the '03 series is his pure intellect. He doesn't have special powers to resurrect him and no one would go out of their way to do it. You just no that a half dead scientist is always slinking back to some washed out lab trying to build a new way to survie. And that's why I just love him so much.

Winking at the camera doesn't change how a person sounds. Casey's voice for me in that show is just awful, it sounds too cliche Brooklyn or bronx or whatever you call that type of dialect, it sounds really bad. He also looked a bit older then most versions, TMNT for example made him look really young.

But if there is one character the movies did well (in my opinion) Jones would be that character, I felt he was absolutely PERFECT. Elias Koteas (the actor that played him) gave Jones a great character in personality and attitude. he was likable, he was funny, and I never got tired of seeing him interact with April.

Most people probably saw him as a minor part of the film, minor or major, I still felt the first movie's Casey Jones was one of the best turtles characters brought to life.

I think winking at the camera doesa change az person's voice. When someone goes out of their way to sell a punchline it shows, or rather sounds. Though I concur on the point that Elias was the best Casey.

My favorite April is somewhere in between '03 and the CGI movie. A perfect mix of those two would be the best April ever, though I'd elect Veronica Taylor to take over Gellar's vocal duties.

I always thought April's voice in the 03 series was done by Kelly Sheridan. (Sango from Inuyasha) But Taylor is a fine vocal actor.

...Y'all wouldn't mind a TMNT newbie sticking her head in here, wouldja?


I never thought twice about the turtles until the '07 movie. Then I thought, "Hmm. Looks fun. Prettyprettyanimation=D. Maybe I'll go see it." 'Course, it came out around one of the times I didn't have time to go see many movies in theaters, so I never did.
Then, it came out on video not too long ago, and I asked my friend about it. She said she liked it, and that she used to watch the old series Saturday mornings as a kid, and it held special memories for her. So, we rented it.

And, wow, how I fell in love.
The characters really drew me in. That's what usually gets me when I watch cartoons, movies, tv shows, etc.

Now, me and another friend have taken up watching the old series. At first all I could do was sit there and giggle at how incredibly cheesey it was. And, y'know, I still do...But I've been totally sucked in, somehow. o.o

Me and my friend decided we would watch all the episodes we could find together. Meaning, I have to wait for her. >.< Yeah, it'll be a long time before we finish all of them, but ah well. It'll make it last, I guess. C=


In closing: Turtles = <3, Splinter = t3h rawk, Shredder = HAHA and TMNT = FR00SH.

Points to you if you made any sense of all that. ^^