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antgirl1 05-15-2007 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AprilDawn (Post 43969)
Dont forget, lots and lots of potatos.

I dont necessarily think Wilt would go back home to Jordan. He seems very happy where he is. If anything, he would probably like it if Jordan came to live near Fosters where he could visit him AND still be with his friends. Plus, fosters would have a room dedicated to nothing but basketball, playing it on a big screen 24/7. :D

Along with other shows he likes to watch on the telly, you know, EVERYONE can get tired of the same thing. XD

pitbulllady 05-15-2007 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by antgirl1 (Post 44027)
Along with other shows he likes to watch on the telly, you know, EVERYONE can get tired of the same thing. XD

Yeah, and Wilt is NOT obsessed with basketball! He is really into it, but not to the point that he cannot enjoy other things, or think about anything else. I'm sure he'd appreciate a break from it on a regular basis. Besides, as most of us know, someone's "happy place" isn't necessarily a real place that they PHYSICALLY go to, but a place in their mind where they can go to escape from their troubles and aggravations, and for many people, that has to do with pleasant memories. Wilt's best memories probably WOULD be from his early life, when things were care-free and the biggest issue facing him would have been getting his young companion to do his homework and get to bed on time on a school night, when Wilt still had both arms and both eyes, and wasn't carrying around so much guilt and painful memories.

pitbulllady

AprilDawn 05-16-2007 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by antgirl1 (Post 44027)
Along with other shows he likes to watch on the telly, you know, EVERYONE can get tired of the same thing. XD

Haha. The way he reacted at the end of "WTAWTAW" makes me think he would like some "Wilt-time" to just runaway and watch some good ol' basketball. Plus, to have Jordan there to watch it with him at times when he is not the one playing the game.

((I never tire of the Price is Right...)) 8D

Vampyre 05-21-2007 08:02 AM

Wow, this thread is HOPPIN'! :P....

It's a nasty thing to say, but I LOVE it when he either gets angry or scared. His reactions to the Cannibal Ghost thing in 'Blooooooo' (especially that 'Hum-a-na hum-a-na hum-a-na') basically had me fits of laughter. The ways he just explodes like in 'Where There's a Wilt there's a Way' and 'Bus the two of us' is even better. When ever I watch 'Bus the two of us' on my DVR I just sit there for a least (or until my Mum comes in and tells me that she's not watching THIS rubbish and I need to turn it off) an hour watching him shouting down the phone over and over again. I find it quite hilairious.

pitbulllady 05-21-2007 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyre (Post 44598)
Wow, this thread is HOPPIN'! :P....

It's a nasty thing to say, but I LOVE it when he either gets angry or scared. His reactions to the Cannibal Ghost thing in 'Blooooooo' (especially that 'Hum-a-na hum-a-na hum-a-na') basically had me fits of laughter. The ways he just explodes like in 'Where There's a Wilt there's a Way' and 'Bus the two of us' is even better. When ever I watch 'Bus the two of us' on my DVR I just sit there for a least (or until my Mum comes in and tells me that she's not watching THIS rubbish and I need to turn it off) an hour watching him shouting down the phone over and over again. I find it quite hilairious.

Yeah, even I have to admit that Wilt is quite "interesting", when he's mad! Notice that the Low Country "Geechee" accent becomes a LOT more pronounced when he's in the highly volitile mood, too; it's like he forgets to try and cover it up-"Da Wilt-Man is signin' OFF- from now on, you on yo OWN, MISTAH!"
It was also pretty darn funny in "Blooooooo!" when Wilt gets really scared and pulls his eyestalks in, so his eyes are sitting on top of his head! He also does this in that promo that showed him dancing on stage-what an interesting ability!

pitbulllady

scary_dream 05-21-2007 11:31 AM

I agree! Wilt's other sides of anger and fear are really interesting. I could watch the "Hum-na" reaction over and over again! 8D

It's kind of refreshing to see him get a little upset because it means he is standing up for himself for once. Granted, while in Bus The Two of Us, he still manages to mix in apologies with the stern talking-to he gives Mac, he still nonetheless stands his ground and tells them what's up and how uncomfortable they are making him by making him lie. :( He deserves to stand up for himself every now and then!

Chaos Wielder 05-22-2007 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pitbulllady (Post 44607)
Yeah, even I have to admit that Wilt is quite "interesting", when he's mad! Notice that the Low Country "Geechee" accent becomes a LOT more pronounced when he's in the highly volitile mood, too; it's like he forgets to try and cover it up-"Da Wilt-Man is signin' OFF- from now on, you on yo OWN, MISTAH!"
It was also pretty darn funny in "Blooooooo!" when Wilt gets really scared and pulls his eyestalks in, so his eyes are sitting on top of his head! He also does this in that promo that showed him dancing on stage-what an interesting ability!

pitbulllady

Wow...it's been awhile since I've posted in this thread, but here I go! :P

I never really noticed Wilt's accent when he was angry but now that you mention it you're right! It really DOES seem to become more pronounced when he's angry...and it's actually quite amusing (well...except in "Beat With a Schtick" where I thought his temper was nearly SCARY at one point! XD)!

Yep, his reactions in "Blooooo!" were great and I also think that he's quite funny when he's scared. ;) I really like how scared everyone got when they were watching that awful movie in the den. What was it called? Something like "The Curse of the Cannibal Ghost In the Haunted House on Horror Hill?" I don't remember for sure, but that was a great scene! XD

jekylljuice 05-23-2007 05:42 AM

I've noticed that about Wilt's accent too. My favourite "volatile Wilt" moment (other than his total outburst in "Bus the Two of Us", which is kind of a no-brainer) would have to be his expression of horror - as shared with the other IFs - at the unveiling of Ed's new Duchess-inflicted makeover in "the Big Picture". I'm absolutely crazy about the totally aghast way he exclaims, "Ed-uardo?" :wiltshock:

x_dummkoff_x 05-23-2007 04:21 PM

y'know what I just noticed?
we got the same accent!
that is friggin SWEET-O!
..........
I'm stop now.

Vampyre 05-23-2007 10:31 PM

Oh, lucky.

O' course, I'm perfectly happy with my accent, so I can't say I'm all too jealous XD Must be pretty cool though, eh?

"C" the Dragon 05-24-2007 11:57 AM

I would, like, do ANYTHING to get a cool accent besides my teenager accent, which I, like, TOTALLY am getting tired of, like, sort of.:P

FailedShapeshifter 05-24-2007 01:46 PM

What's wrong with sounding like a teenager? Unless of course you sound like a teen from Foster's Universe......WE AREN'T ALL STONERS! :macwor:.........Sorry about that.......it just bugs me how all the teens on Foster's are classed as ethier idiots or nerds. Granted I'm a nerd, but that doesn't mean all teenagers are.:gooblab:

Got a bit off topic there huh? Sorry again. I love how Wilt's accent comes out when he's angry too, I feel like I can relate. Eventhough I sound like a backwards hic........

x_dummkoff_x 05-24-2007 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyre (Post 44931)
Oh, lucky.

O' course, I'm perfectly happy with my accent, so I can't say I'm all too jealous XD Must be pretty cool though, eh?


yeah, it IS pretty friggin sweet-o!
but I think my voice sounds like his.
just a few octaves higher.
which is kinda weird.
yet awesome.
and y'know what else I noticed?
MY accent gets a lot worse [is that the word for it?] when I'm angry too.
seriously.
I sound SO ghetto when I'm mad.
or loud.
.....
ok, sorry about that!
I just started rambling.
sorry!

pitbulllady 05-24-2007 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by x_dummkoff_x (Post 44968)
yeah, it IS pretty friggin sweet-o!
but I think my voice sounds like his.
just a few octaves higher.
which is kinda weird.
yet awesome.
and y'know what else I noticed?
MY accent gets a lot worse [is that the word for it?] when I'm angry too.
seriously.
I sound SO ghetto when I'm mad.
or loud.
.....
ok, sorry about that!
I just started rambling.
sorry!


Accent and voice tone are two different things, though. An accent is more like a regional dialect, the way that people from different parts of the world, or different parts of the same country, speak, regardless of their age or gender. I can only speak for how Wilt sounds in the US version of the show, since I know that the voices are dubbed by different actors in different languages, but he speaks with an accent/dialect that is found along the southern coastal regions of South Carolina(where I live)and Georgia, and accent commonly known in the area of Charleston, South Carolina(one of the oldest US cities)as "Geechee". It's especially noticeable among the African-American population in that region. From the time I started watching the show, Wilt's accent intrigued me as either being New Orleans "Creole"(also known as "Yat", in reference to their greeting, "Where 'yat"?", which is comparable to "How's it going?")or Charleston "Geechee", since both dialects have similar origins and sound much alike. Good Wilt Hunting pretty much cleared that up, with background scenes from Wilt's hometown that are quite familiar to me, or to most South Carolinians-even some of my students recognized the Charleston streets and were very eager to share that with me when they got back to school! Charleston also has the distinction of having been named "The Most Polite City in America" more times than any other city, so it's only fitting that someone of Wilt's personality would be from there, since he's arguably the Most Polite Person In America! Also, Jordan Michaels is based on Michael Jordan, who's from NORTH Carolina, so it would make sense that if Michael Jordan is from North Carolina, Jordan Michaels would be from SOUTH Carolina...just don't get any SC resident started on whether he played college B-ball for the University of South Carolina or Clemson University-you do NOT wanna go THERE, trust me!

pitbulllady

x_dummkoff_x 05-24-2007 05:13 PM

I meant both of it.
and after that, ya lost me.

taranchula 05-24-2007 08:23 PM

Just a friendly reminder, to please stay try and stay on topic (Which of course in the case is the Wilt-Man) okay?

x_dummkoff_x 05-25-2007 04:43 PM

all right, fine.
WILT'S TOTALLY HOT!
there.
that's on topic.

CG 05-26-2007 02:26 AM

And totally in the wrong Wilt thread. Wilt Appreciation Thread is right next door. :p

Invader Bloo 05-28-2007 11:33 AM

I wonder why Wilt is getting beat up this season? Why do the writers like to beat up Wilt & Frankie? Especally since they're some of the most popular characters (Wilt moreso than Frankie). :(:frankiemad:

Vampyre 05-28-2007 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Invader Bloo (Post 45403)
I wonder why Wilt is getting beat up this season? Why do the writers like to beat up Wilt & Frankie? Especally since they're some of the most popular characters (Wilt moreso than Frankie). :(:frankiemad:

My guess is that the producers KNOW that a lot of people (like the people on TV.com) feel that Frankie and Witl are serious character's. I know of a few people who think Wilt is TOO serious. Anyways, for reasons unknown, younger viewers appear to like it when serious character's are in distress, like on the old Tom and Jerry cartoons where Tom gets hit over the head with an ironing board, or hit with something so his face moulds to that shape. Of course, Foster's isn't a very violent cartoon, infact, the most violent cartoon I know of these days is probably Billy and Mandy (which isn't really VIOLENT at all, just a bit... eck), and because Foster's isn't very violent, I suppose the producers try to wind up the more serious character's in some way to ammuse the younger viewers. We aren't the only people who watch the show after all, and even though alot of us aren't to keen on Wilt or Frankie getting picked on or going completely off the deep end (though Wilt's little Temper Tantrum down the phone still puts me in hysterics) it's what a lot of the younger viewers like to see. it's like seeing your stuffy old head teacher pants in the middle of the busy school corridor I suppose...

pitbulllady 05-28-2007 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyre (Post 45408)
My guess is that the producers KNOW that a lot of people (like the people on TV.com) feel that Frankie and Witl are serious character's. I know of a few people who think Wilt is TOO serious. Anyways, for reasons unknown, younger viewers appear to like it when serious character's are in distress, like on the old Tom and Jerry cartoons where Tom gets hit over the head with an ironing board, or hit with something so his face moulds to that shape. Of course, Foster's isn't a very violent cartoon, infact, the most violent cartoon I know of these days is probably Billy and Mandy (which isn't really VIOLENT at all, just a bit... eck), and because Foster's isn't very violent, I suppose the producers try to wind up the more serious character's in some way to ammuse the younger viewers. We aren't the only people who watch the show after all, and even though alot of us aren't to keen on Wilt or Frankie getting picked on or going completely off the deep end (though Wilt's little Temper Tantrum down the phone still puts me in hysterics) it's what a lot of the younger viewers like to see. it's like seeing your stuffy old head teacher pants in the middle of the busy school corridor I suppose...

It does seem to me that they're trying to really appeal to the youngest viewers, now that you mention it. There's been a lot more focus on Bloo, who probably appeals to little kids more than any other character, while two of the main "adult authority figures", Frankie and Wilt, seem to either catch heck or get pushed well into the background. Wilt really hasn't had many speaking lines at all this season and really hasn't had any major role in any episode, not even nearly as much as he did in say, "Infernal Slumber", and in Frankie's major role, in "CAGG", she certainly didn't fare too well, did she? Maybe CN was afraid the show was taking TOO much of a direction towards appealing to teens and adults, and was afraid that the little kiddos would be left out and stop watching and making the parents buy stuff, so they wanted the producers to sorta back off on the "adult authority figures" for awhile.

pitbulllady

Ub3rD4n 05-28-2007 11:27 PM

Er, not to bellitle your statement or anything, but since when has Wilt been an authority figure? I always saw him as being one of the guys.

As for Wilt and Frankie "torture" we hear of, it's kind of the main way in which their characters are funny. I mean, Frankie doesn't often do crazy stuff, (though boy, does she have her moments) so all that's left is to put her in humourous situations. As for Wilt, he CAN be funny without being in distress (my favourite Wilt line is "I can starve first if it helps"), but still, it is quite funny to see him being taken advantage of, cause he's such a nice guy, and noone else would put up with that stuff. Though I realise he can't win all the time, I DO like it when Wilt gets good stuff to happen to him in the end.

Anyhows, I believe they're saving all the good Wilt and Frankie moments in season five for later, cause those're gonna be the BEST.:D

Vampyre 05-29-2007 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ub3rD4n (Post 45455)
Er, not to bellitle your statement or anything, but since when has Wilt been an authority figure? I always saw him as being one of the guys.

As for Wilt and Frankie "torture" we hear of, it's kind of the main way in which their characters are funny. I mean, Frankie doesn't often do crazy stuff, (though boy, does she have her moments) so all that's left is to put her in humourous situations. As for Wilt, he CAN be funny without being in distress (my favourite Wilt line is "I can starve first if it helps"), but still, it is quite funny to see him being taken advantage of, cause he's such a nice guy, and noone else would put up with that stuff. Though I realise he can't win all the time, I DO like it when Wilt gets good stuff to happen to him in the end.

Anyhows, I believe they're saving all the good Wilt and Frankie moments in season five for later, cause those're gonna be the BEST.:D

Wilt IS 'one of the guys', BUT he is also probably the most responsible member of the group, being, undoubtedly, the oldest and the wisest. The group is like a Family, and Wilt is more like the parenting figure rather than one of the kids. Also, in 'Adoptcalyps (can't spell) Now' the way he is shown during the episode isn't like he's one of the friends hoping to be adopted, but more like he's one of the staff, since he is normally moving backwards and forwards fetching things in and out, rather than staying out side with 'The Browsers'. Sure it may have something to do with his kind and helpful nature, but never the less Wilt is KINDA like Frankie, the only difference being is that he is up for adoption. And because of this, this makes him the authority figure of the group... I think...

pitbulllady 05-29-2007 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyre (Post 45462)
Wilt IS 'one of the guys', BUT he is also probably the most responsible member of the group, being, undoubtedly, the oldest and the wisest. The group is like a Family, and Wilt is more like the parenting figure rather than one of the kids. Also, in 'Adoptcalyps (can't spell) Now' the way he is shown during the episode isn't like he's one of the friends hoping to be adopted, but more like he's one of the staff, since he is normally moving backwards and forwards fetching things in and out, rather than staying out side with 'The Browsers'. Sure it may have something to do with his kind and helpful nature, but never the less Wilt is KINDA like Frankie, the only difference being is that he is up for adoption. And because of this, this makes him the authority figure of the group... I think...

Yes, and Wilt is always the first one of "the Guys" to say something whenever someone does or says something stupid. Take that scene in "Infernal Slumber" for example, when Cheese and Bloo were having that "brain freeze" contest, and Wilt kept looking at them in that same way than an adult will look at a child who'se doing something that the adult doesn't think is a good idea, plus he kept TELLING them that! He also kept berating Terrence for messing up the apartment because of how hard his mother worked to keep it looking decent, and I swear Wilt sounded JUST like my own father there! In "Eddie Monster", when Bloo started to say something totally insensitive about Eduardo being in a dangerous situation, Wilt actually smacked him upside his head! In "Make Believe It Or Not", you could tell that at first, Wilt REALLY didn't want to play the make-believe game, but all those pleading stares from the others convinced him to don that "Evil Lord Snotzax" persona(and a lampshade) and get into the role, but what does he do when Mac and Goo start bickering? He steps in and tries to intervene, going right back into his "responsible adult" mode! While Wilt usually, due to his tendency to feel guilt over the least little let-down on someone's else's part, gives in to others, he's also the one who usually tries to be that voice of reason and is able to see the problems that might crop up due to a particular course of action. Wilt has to balance out Bloo, who has no sense of responsibility whatsoever. Bloo is like the quintessential child-totally carefree and self-centered, while Wilt is the polar opposite of that-concerned about his actions and how they affect others and putting others' wants or needs before his own, which is definately not a quality I've ever seen in ANY child.

pitbulllady

Ub3rD4n 05-29-2007 09:08 PM

While you bring up some good points, I still say that Wilt is too much of a doormat to be an authority figure, though I was, as a matter of fact, thinking that the closest he ever got was in Adoptcalypse Now. Also, I think that Wilt has a child's indomitable spirit and playfulness. Which is not to say that these cannot be possesed by an adult (after all, we know Wilt is over 30 years old), Wilt certainly wouldn't be out of place if he was adopted by a younger child who needed someone to play with. So, I guess, we all have our own definitions of adult. What I mostly meant when I say that Wilt's still a child, is that he hasn't had his spirit crushed or tarnished by cynism in the least. He's still just as pure as the day he got imagined, even if he is a lot wiser now.

Vampyre 05-30-2007 04:53 AM

Well... I don't know about him bing as pure as he was the day he was created... I mean, thirty years of guilt, plus the guilt that he gets for doing somthing wrong or making someone upset, can't of done him any good.

pitbulllady 05-30-2007 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vampyre (Post 45551)
Well... I don't know about him bing as pure as he was the day he was created... I mean, thirty years of guilt, plus the guilt that he gets for doing somthing wrong or making someone upset, can't of done him any good.


Yeah, seriously! It's pretty clear that Wilt has some major emotional baggage, and that a LOT, if not all, of his "doormat" tendencies stem from that. The fact that he's been able to carry around all that baggage for 30 years, without cracking or even talking to anyone about it, speaks volumns for his strength. Wilt is actually a lot more mature-acting than most adult men I know(including a few I've dated); one of my best friends was telling me recently that her son-in-law(father of two, I might add) will pitch a hissy-fit if his wife brings home a box of cereal that doesn't have a toy or special send-off offer inside, even though his KIDS have outgrown that, and no, he isn't joking around, either. Wilt's altruism goes well beyond what I've ever seen in any child, and probably in 99% of the adults I've known over my life. I think that Wilt's spirit HAS been badly damaged, though perhaps "crushed" is too strong a word. His opinion of himself has been torn down considerably, that much is clear. Wilt showed his courage and maturity in GWH, undertaking something that he KNEW would probably result in him losing his life, but he believed it was necessary. How many children would do that? It was also interesting to hear him open up to total strangers, far more than to familiar people, probably because he knew these strangers really didn't give a rip about him and wouldn't be bothered by any of what he said after he was gone, but his whole speech/mannerisms was that of an adult. The way he spoke of Jordan as "my boy" sounded so much like the way a father would speak of his son, that Wilt even realizes this himself and feels compelled to explain that he's actually referring to the kid who created him. Most people probably never even figured that Wilt WAS so articulate, since he seldom says that much in any given episodes, and it seems that he's really "clammed up" in this season.

pitbulllady

Ub3rD4n 05-30-2007 08:27 PM

Yeah, that "my boy" line was awesome, and, though I think all IFs feel that way about their kids, Wilt does more than usual. As for the child/adult debate, it's been interesting, but I guess we just gotta say that we each have our own different measures of adult. By your reasoning, for example, it would seem most adults (or at least the ones I've seen) aren't adults at all, just big kids. But, hey, I can live with people having different opinions to me (this is NOT me running from an argument I'm losing. No. Not at all.). I thik we can agree that, however we see him, we all love him and are hoping for more cool Wilt moments in season five. Okay, that sounded corny, but you get my picture.

FailedShapeshifter 06-03-2007 08:51 AM

Forget the socks.......I'm dumb.....uhhhh.......I can't think of anything...so I'll just apologize for cross-posting again....I wasn't thinking........sorry.

Cassini90125 06-03-2007 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FailedShapeshifter (Post 45967)
I asked this on a another thread.....but how much money do y'all think Wilt could keep in his shoes and socks? .......Wish my socks were that big......

Yes, you did. Please don't cross-post. :herriman:

FailedShapeshifter 06-03-2007 09:11 AM

Sorry.......I'm dumb and forgot the rules there for a second.......man I feel awful now.......:(

Cassini90125 06-03-2007 09:15 AM

Forget about it; just be careful.

FailedShapeshifter 06-03-2007 09:19 AM

phew :bloogrin: I just don't want to get anyone mad at me.....I've been doing good so far;) .......now I'm off topic.....

erm.....I've got nothing......I'm and awful Wilt-fan.....:P

Vampyre 06-03-2007 10:12 AM

Just because you can't think of anything doesn't mean you're an awful Wilt fan. You'd be an awful Wilt fan if you said he was your favourite character and then started bashing him like nobodies buisness...

I can't think of anything either. Sorry....

FailedShapeshifter 06-03-2007 10:22 AM

We could talk about stuff from Something old Something Bloo....but then some people haven't seen it yet and that doesn't seem fair.:D

Vampyre 06-03-2007 10:50 AM

I found it both cute and odd when Wilt first appeared as an old person, I mean, it was cute because well, he was ex-war soldier it seemed but kind of... different to see him so... wrinkly. Though I suppose it wasn't as bad as The Buck Swaps here when he is completely dehydrated. Poor guy....

FailedShapeshifter 06-03-2007 01:02 PM

I loved the army verteran thing8D And for some reason....the pipe cracked me up:D

pitbulllady 06-03-2007 01:44 PM

I liked the whole concept of Wilt as a WWII veteran myself. I've often compared his nature, his willingness to put others before himself and his own safety, to the general attitudes of "The Greatest Generation". Back in those days, it was commonplace to find people like Wilt, and the freedom of the whole world was saved because of that. Now, most people look after themselves first and figure that the rest of the world will take care of itself. As that generation dies out, folks like Wilt will seem more and more odd and out-of-place, sadly.

What was interesting, though(and I'll put this in spoiler tags for anyone who has not seen the episode yet)
Spoiler Below
was that the nursing home readily accepted Bloo, Wilt, Ed, and Coco, even though it would have to have been OBVIOUS that they were Imaginary Friends, old or not. That does sorta go against a lot of what is said on a certain OTHER forum, about how Imaginary Friends, and Wilt in particular, aren't human and should not be treated as such. The nursing home did not discriminate against them for not LOOKING human, and apparently, the operators did not consider it that odd that Imaginary Friends COULD age, either. That does sorta bolster my little hypothesis(which can now be called a theory, I guess, since it now has some backing from the plot of the series)that even though Imaginary Friends probably live longer and age much more slowly than humans, at least while they can still be around children, perhaps-they DO age, and will eventually die.


pitbulllady

FailedShapeshifter 06-03-2007 02:15 PM

Yay spoiler tags!
Spoiler Below
I just pegged the nursing home workers as gulible. It kinda makes you wonder if the friends really do age. I really like the idea that they age slowly, but still....now that I think about it, Wilt does look a bit younger in the Flashbacks in GWH.

Ub3rD4n 06-03-2007 03:06 PM

I agree with Failed Shapeshifter, those guys may have just been ignorant. I mean, considering that there is not currently, nor has there ever been (according to Adam, who I trust to know what he's talking about when he's being knowitallish) any scientific study on IFs, barring Douglas and Adam. So it could be very easy in a climate where people simply don't care enough about IFs to know much about them, for someone to get something as basic as that mixed up.


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