Crud. D=

YAY! *takes Wilt and runs off*

Oh, yeah. I was. Didn't post much, though. I post at several forums, and I kept forgetting to visit.

I thought Berry was great! Berry scarey was one of the first episodes I seen and it helped make me a die-hard fan of the show. It was makeing me laugh from start to finish!8D
For secondary characters-Berry is just behind Cheese at the top of my favorite's list. She was so cute but so psycotic. That's what made her so funny. I was rolling on the floor when she corrected Bloo about her name when she was tied up in the rubber band ball. MY NAME IS BERRY!!!8D
I thought another fun part of the episode was how Frankie was trying to get Bloo and Berry together. It was cute. And "I can doodle a snicker!" is the best line ever.:D

Let's get Analytical
 

It's like this ...

Berry is just another midunderstood woman ... er, female. A woman whose needs haven't been met in her life for one reason or another. And rather than wilt in a corner somewhere, she goes raging into the night, demanding what she needs and seeing nothing but her goal.

Berry keeps her eye on the tiger. To the exclusion of all else. I mean, all Cruella really wanted was a fur coat, right?

Other misunderstood women include Cruella DeVille, The Evil Queen, Ursula ... etc. ... any number of scary female villans from your last seen Disney movie.

And so ... in the spirit of being completely deluded and apart from reality (because the alternative is waaaaay too bleak), Berry will do everything and anything she can to remain deluded.

Anything else would be complete mediocrity ... and that is horrifying to her.

~D~
:scaryberry:

I agree with you on all these women being completely misunderstood in Disney movies (save the Evil Queen.. that woman just had issues), and it particularly bothers me that most of these women's motives to be "evil" were fueled by jealousy, envy, and vanity. You can really tell how far back in years these movies go, huh? Anyway, slightly off topic.

I think Berry might have even been considered a wee bit psychotic. But really; I couldn't see any difference between her and any other possessive and jealous female doubling as a body guard to her heart's desire. It even pissed me off a little that Mac cut her rubber band and took away her hard work. I mean, building a GIANT rubber band ball just to get someone as aloof as Bloo to roll his eyes your way? I admit, I don't enjoy my boyfriend's friends hanging out all the time, particularly when I'm around and want to have some alone time; it's intrusive. If it keeps up day after day, you BET *I'm* gonna be raising heck over it. Berry took it one step further; though everything she did to get Mac out of the picture was pleasingly quiet, yet obvious. Until she snapped. It just depends on what your concept of socially acceptable reactions are. Those are just my two cents.

Cool response, Doublelatte ... :goo:

Further --> think about what Berry went through at her home before she was surrendered. She was either neglected or abused, in one form or another (that is appropriate to the topic, of course) *or* the kid that imagined her had issues that were transposed on to her. You know, kinda like Cheese and Louise being so alike in many ways.

I've read the string about Berry having a crush on Wilt, though ... I don't think it would work. I don't think Berry would maintain interest in him because he is too accommodating. He's too nice a guy. Something in Berry likes the bad boys (the bad bloo boys, that is), and I think she's used to being treated poorly.

For Berry, I think the chase is the thrill ... it makes her feel alive!

:scaryberry: ~D~

I just saw the episode and to be honest, I'm sorry to say i can't for the life of me see in anyway shape or form how Berry is "misunderstood". Neither are the disney female villains misunderstood, their actions speak for their personalities.

Cruella for example was insanely obsessive with killing the puppies, she wanted them dead more then the actual coat. The way she drove at them at the end of the movie trying to grab them, did she look like she was doing all this work for a piece of cloth?

No, she wanted dead puppies for a coat, that is as mean spirited as you get. Ursula wanted to control all of the sea and had no problem trying to kill Eric, Triton, or Ariel to do it. Ursula manpiulates people for her own selfish purposes and uses people just to get what she wants.

Now back to Berry. I admit Bloo helped push Berry to her breaking point, he's not the easiest imaginary friend to tolerate for 5 minutes let alone for a lifetime relationship. But Berry is psycho and nothing Bloo or anyone else does will change that.

Her mental instability shows that whether Bloo did everything perfectly for her, there would always be someone or something that did some minor, inane thing that would drive her over the deep end, and that's why I feel she is a villain and a dangerous one at that.

She tried to kill Mac for crying out loud! She locked him in an ice box with ice cream. I also suggest people don't bring up the idea that Berry was abused or neglected, because that's basically just drudging up a whole "maybe this" scenario mess.

We can surmise and suggest and assume all we want, but we'll never know who created Berry or why she is the way she is so it doesn't help to make up scenarios for her when it's just as good as anyone's guess. Me personally, I would assume it was because of her psycho personality she got dumped.

I love Berry as a character, and after seeing the episode, I could totally see her coming back as a villain like Terrance and Duchess. But I just can't swallow the idea that Berry is misunderstood. Anyone that pops a blood vessel over seeing someone with your best friend within a matter of seconds.

Without knowing the whole story, the whole truth, and ends up creating paper cut outs to purposely prove a negative point to that person, has a LOT more problems to worry about then simply being misunderstood.

Well said on every point. Some IF's - and people, too - are just what they seem to be; there's nothing deeper. Not every personality problem stems from abuse or neglect.

While I agree with that (and it's nice to hear that said, and said well, from time to time) I still enjoy reading everyone's ideas. Don't have many of my own, but I like to read 'em. ;) Still, its best that everyone be able to stand up and say "That's just how they ARE" every once in a while, lol.

I'm not knocking people's possible backgrounds for characters, it's always nice to hear someone's imagination about something. But I just don't like it when they try to make an assumptions as a means to explain a character they can't honestly back up.

Berry is the way she is because this is who she is. Not everyone in the world needs a traumatic childhood or a life altering event in their life to make them go psycho. Look at Jack Napier/The Joker, he is evil by NATURE, it's just who he is. Same with guys like Freddy Kreuger and Chucky the doll.

Evil is not always beaten into you by bad expierences or parents or creators or whatever, evil is also genetic. People are crazy and wacko in the noggin just naturally, imaginary friends I doubt are any different. They seem to be more like us then we think.

Huh...Just noticing that the two people who think she's misunderstood are girls, and the two that don't think so are guys. :rolleyes:

In any case, I just think she's a funny character that I can relate to. ;) I could probably stand to see her show up again...:D

You know, I actually agree with you. I think Berry's just psychotic by nature.

Aw Berry. She's a cutie, but yeah....a true, deep-down, no-bones-about-it, crazier-than-a-cow-with-mad-cow's-disease, one can short of a six pack (I got tired of hyphens), one lightbulb missing from the lamp, a loaded gun, a Psycho movie star...WHATEVER you want to call her......she's crazy. Truly and deeply crazy.
But I still like her. :berry: She's has her charm....in her psychotic sort of way.

Hehehe. 8D

I agree with you.

I think believing that someone is misunderstood is just a way to say, "It's not blah blah's fault that he/she ended up like that." We would like to believe that everybody who seems evil actually has some good deep down inside them, just as we know that every "good" person has some "bad" in them. It's the balance of the light and the dark. People who think like that are kind. But it doesn't work like that. And good triumphing over evil every single time? That's not plausible either.

I actively enjoy watching evil triumph, it's quite fun.

Yes, berry is psycho! I don't think it was something that happened, she's just ultra clingy. Like velcro. With duct tape. And super glue.

EVIL...IS...GOOD.
That doesn't make much sense, does it?

Back on topic.
Berry is pretty handy. She can make curtains and pillows and sweaters.

I think Berry is misunderstood she's insane not evil. I'm a guy too. :P

I would like to see her in atleast one more episode, anything else would get out of hand.

Oh, I don't think she's evil. I just think she's insane. When I spoke of light and dark up there, light stands for everything that is good, and dark stands for everything that is bad. Insanity isn't necessarily something good, so it's dark. Now, insanity can make you do evil things, and in Berry's case, this is true. She did intentionally, knowingly, and purposefully harm Mac in hopes of hogging Bloo to herself. Her obsession over Bloo was insanity, as was her desire to get Mac out of the picture. But the ways in which she tried to get rid of Mac were evil. You definitely don't want to lock someone in a freezer full of ice cream unless you want them to die; killing is wrong. Thusly, Berry's actions against Mac, which resulted from her insanity, were evil. She herself is not evil, but just insane. And when I said "good triumphing over evil every single time? That's not plausible either," I was not referring to Berry.

Which was similar to what I said. But she needs to b eput in a jacket, because I think season 2-now Bloo would probally be freaked out, season 1 Bloo was too goofy to care.

Insanity is just as much as your personality as evil. I don't think her insanity is the whole reason she is the way she is, even without the insanity, she is a clingly person and I doubt she would be any tamer if she lost her insanity.

She may make less freaky faces and so many mood swings but I think a person is who they are and nothing can really change who you are, not completely anyway. I also consider Berry to be as close to evil as you can get.

Terrance is more or less a villain of the show, but even he's not as twisted as Berry is when it comes to torturing Mac. Not only was the ice box thing as murderous as you can get (even if it is a cartoon, that is SERIOUS death stuff).

But Berry ripped Mac and Bloo apart and that is what really made her the bad guy, she tor two very close friends apart and didn't even give Mac a chance. She totally shut him out without trying to know him. She wanted Bloo all to herself and ignored everyone else.

Not only that, but she lied to Frankie and the others with her cutesty Care Bear act just to get closer to Bloo. The psycho Berry is the true Berry, or if you prefer, her true color.

I just get sick of the word "evil", ya know?

XD

Well, I can't help but feel sorry for Berry, even though I think she's nuts. I mean, she JUST came to Foster's, meaning she probably just got abandoned. I guess she needed someone to cling to since her previous friendship with her creator was severed.

I'm pretty sure it was Berry's berzerker nature that GOT her abandoned, Berry is like a super obsessive girlfriend in RL but in imaginary friend form. I think she's always been this way and this personality defect of hers is what caused her "break up" with her creator.

I really don't feel sorry for her because even though she was recently kicked out, that doesn't change the fact she abused home that was given to her by pushing Mac and Bloo away and secretly hating everyone that lived there other then Bloo.

I think Arnold Schwarzeneger said it best: "You're damaged goods lady".

She's a psycho, but a bizzarely adorable one. Definitely one of the show's best villain-ish figures. :scaryberry:

One that I wish Foster's would revisit. I think Foster's, while not a show that technically needs villains or bad guy type characters, does need to bring back some of these characters. They don't often bring back anyone from past episodes other then Cheese and Goo.

All family and tied characters like Mac's mom, and Terrance are expected but it'd be nice if they found a way to bring back guys like Berry, or Little Lincoln, or other characters. Find a way to use em again, I'm sure they'd be a blast second time around.

I think Berry and Lincol especially have the potential to be more then 1 shot characters if done properly.

Oh man...I don't even wanna think about what Berry might be like if she ever frees herself from that rubberband ball and makes her way back to the house. Talk about vengeance...eep. :-/

Hahaha, definately an episode worth watching! xD

Just a few things:

1. If a male character did any of the things that Berry did, he would have no supporters. At all.

2. You do know that it's bad to say, "I relate so much to the psycho-stalker girl! I act just like her!", right?

3. Whoever said that Berry needs to have a crush on Cheese is officially the best person. Ever. that episode would be HILARIOUS!

Berry had to have been created by a pre-teen girl who was also a child of divorce. She craves friendship and attention.

BTW, that screen grab of Berry and Bloo on a date is PRICELESS!:berry:

It has been quite some time since I discussed this series, though even back when I was a reviewer on TVTome, Berry was always my favorite character. I know that people have claimed that she was just pure evil, but I believe that she was actually a victim of circumstance, even though others have already rejected that notion. Either way, Berry is my favorite Imaginary Friend and I wish she would return someday; I doubt that such will ever take place, unfortunately.

Whoa, it has been a while, hasn't it?

You may be right, Huntsman. As for her return, while it appears to be unlikely, it's not completely out of the question.

Yeah, though at least she was used in that adoption type game they had a few years back. I don’t remember much about it, and I pretty much missed the entire fourth season, though the fact that she was used when some other popular characters weren’t was at least something her fans could appreciate.

I seldom think about Berry very often. She was not a bad character; I enjoyed her episode a lot when I first saw it, although for me it wore thin after awhile. But as with Bendy and Red I wouldn't mind seeing her return as a guest star.

I just wonder if Berry would have been handled differently if that episode were made today, rather than back when it actually was. The episode Duchess of Wails always irked me because they introduced that plaque, which talked about how even mean friends are welcome in the home, though in Berry Scary, nobody seemed to care that Berry was more-or-less evicted from the home. I once wrote a Theory / FAQ and even though it was deeply flawed, even more-so now since so much time has passed, I still believe that Imaginary Friends are really stuck the way they’re created, and I don’t believe Berry was actually a villain.

That all depends on your definition of a villain. If your definition is someone who PURPOSELY acts like a jerk, then, no, she's not. But if your definition of a villain is someone who acts without taking anyone else's feelings or wellbeing into account, then yes, she is. She's entirely too focused on her relationship with Bloo, and doesn't think of anything else, really.

Perhaps Berry wouldn't have been so defensive about Bloo if he actually appreciated her, though. He kept forgetting her name and didn’t even seem to care about her many attempts to please him; sure, she was the type of character who didn’t care about what others thought, but Bloo did treat her pretty bad. I think she had thought that Bloo would care more about her if he didn’t care so much about Mac, though I digress.

I don't believe that Berry was truly evil myself - just twisted. I admit that I didn't care for her quite so much to begin with, but she grew on me with repeated viewings, and I agree that it's a shame that Foster's never tried to utilise her again.

In regard to her circumstantial eviction from the house, I'd kind of gotten the vibe that, even without the giant rubber band ball, she'd have been on her way out of there one way or another by her own free will. I think this was implied in her line "I can't believe I stayed in this stupid house, with these stupid people!", presumably an admission that she'd only remained at Foster's in the hopes of obtaining a relationship with Bloo (but possibly just a matter of hysterics). What would seem contrary to the Foster's creedo would be if Wally had really been evicted, as Mac had speculated in "the Big Picture".

Whether we see any further activity from her or not, Berry's legacy undoubtedly lives on. Nowadays it's impossible for me to watch Stacey's scenes in Wayne's World without being reminded of Berry. :scaryberry:

I can only assume that Mac's spectulation in The Big Picture was him being forgetful, cause there are plenty of kids who'd love a friend like Wally. And back on topic, yeah, I think the words "twisted" and "mentally unstable" better describe Berry than "Evil". In fact, I don't think there's any flat-out evil characters in Fosters. Although, again, this all depends on definition.

I agree. "Unstable", in particular, seems to fit her. I might add "Obsessive" to that list, too. As for truly evil characters, again I agree; I haven't seen anyone who truly fits my definition of evil. I guess the closest would be Lil Lincoln.

I've noticed the lack of ineherently evil characters, and it's one of the things I like about Foster's: no character is completely good or completey bad. Well, Duchess hasn't shown many redeeming qualities aside from being funny, but she hasn't really shown any desire to kill people or anything either.

And, to make this a bit more on-topic, I agree that Berry is just... unstable. It's not surprising that there'd be a few wacky IF's, since they have as much of a possible range in personalities as people do. I wouldn't mind seeing Berry return, either; it'd be a nice break from all the Cheese.

I'd love to see Berry come back. Her episode is one of my all time faves. I'd be happy if we only get to see her role past the screen on that rubber-band ball once every few seasons.8D