Well to be honest, I find there is a line between physical attraction and social attraction. There are LOTS of toon girls I have been attracted to by their looks that have personalities that either rub me the wrong way or are like I said, sexually agressive or over confident.

Physical attraction happens mostly even when we don't want it to, it's more a matter of physics, tastes actually, the personality though affects more of a commanality in our liking towards women. The sweet thing about Frankie is that she is sweet through and through, she's never intentionally mean or rude.

As far as agressive women go, I'd suggest you don't cut out all women because of that trait Vox. The way I have see it, it's the women that actually change their persona or act "humbled" if you will by something. Like if a bad ass girl actually blushes or gets nervous and does something like that.

That is a sign that the person isn't all hardcore, too good to be loved, sex queen crap and something much more. Videl from Dragon Ball Z for example. She's a very agressive girl and can be difficult, but she has moments where she shows kindness, appreciation, and love, proving she's human after all.

The less you see of that sweet, bumbling, humbling attitude is what decreases our attraction to the person, or at least for me anyway. Android 18 from the same show is a prime example. She's pretty damn fine, but the fact she's more rude and agressive then she is nice is a major turn off.

Luckily, Frankie doesn't suffer from that problem. Goo had a similar problem like this until MBION.

I didn't say that I don't feel unwanted attraction to unlikeable characters. That actually happened to me a lot before I fell in love with Frankie. I've had plenty of purely fictional infatuations on characters that I otherwise don't care about at all. Most of them vanish within a matter of days and weeks... though some of them do tend to haunt and tempt me from time to time, even to this day.

I hate these types largely BECAUSE of the unwanted attraction. I'm smart enough to know that they're not worth my time, yet I sometimes still feel attracted to them on a 100% physical way, sometimes intensely.

And another thing; I love 'aggressiveness' as a general trait. I'm really into characters that are outwardly aggressive, tough and even harsh at times, but are also capable of genuine heart and compassion. I can even enjoy female characters that are thoroughly and unredeemably vile, on a "certified villain" basis and if they're well-written and portrayed.

I hate the manipulative, sleazy, scummy, egomanical type, when they're put in a serious PROTAGONIST role and not in a 100% villanous or satirical role. Even when I feel sudden and unwanted physical attraction, I still despise them in general. I just do.

But the good thing is, thanks to Frankie, I don't get these sudden unwanted attractions as much as before(I still do, but only very ocassionally). She's a stunning fox and a very human, genuine character at the same time.

I hope that made some sense.

It works the other way around, too; one can become very attracted to someone through their personality. Years ago there was a woman I'll call "Beth" that I was not attracted to at all. But we spent a lot of time together and discovered that we had a lot in common, and in a short period of time I was saying to myself, "You know, she's really not bad looking, not bad at all...", and it was love shortly thereafter. (I never acted on it, or told her how I was feeling, but that's another story.) Looks, like icing, can certainly draw one in, but if there aren't a couple layers of warm, rich cake under that icing, my interest will soon turn elsewhere.

Personality IS whats important but I'm afraid I'm still shallow enough to still want good looks. I'm sure it's just inexperiance on my part but I still have a natural attraction to beuty. Fortunatly, I've been finding myself more and more attracted to peoples personalities and not looks. And Frankie is, and always will be my princess.

I fell in love with Frankie before watching the show (through other artists drawings). That is what piqued my curiosity to watch the show. At that point I loved her voice and her personality - it all fit! What a normal chick (my kind of woman)!:frankiesmile:

That's true of everyone, I think. We all need a certain minimum level of physical attraction, which can be enhanced by personality, but unfortunately there are limits, and there are people who one will never be attracted to, never desire a romantic relationship with, no matter how much one may otherwise enjoy their company. There is a lady in my building that I've known for years, for example, who I've spent hours talking with, and I look forward to those times when we hang out in the lobby and chat, but anything more than that isn't possible because the desire just isn't there and it never will be. It's sad, especially for those who for whatever reason are always on the receiving end. The lonliness can be very depressing, very painful. But that's just the way it is. :'(

I'm sure that there's SOMEONE out there for her. I don't think it's a matter of who but when.;)

Maybe yes, maybe no. There's no guarantee for any of us. I do know that ideas like "There's someone for everyone" are a crock. It's a nice sentiment, but it simply isn't true.

Sorry but I don't buy that one little bit. I don't think it's a crock or bull or anything like that, just because bad expierences or painful memories have been stirred up, I don't think the someone for everyone thing is crap. I believe it, and I've continued to believe it from the day I discovered love.

Not finding the right person yet simply means that's not the person meant for you. I believe in fate to an extent and that there is someone who is linked to us somewhere on this Earth, the future is limitless with possibilities and it's not right to just shoot down that possibility due to bad luck.

Frankie didn't find the right guy in Dylan, and neither did Berry with Bloo or Mac with Goo, but that doesn't mean they won't someday. Wise person once said: "We are not meant to be alone in this world". Time is everything, maybe sooner maybe later, but I believe our hearts are always tied to someone else's.

It's just a matter of finding the string, and how long it takes you follow it to the end. Forgive my sappyness but I believe every damn word of it.

You will find your soulmate - no doubt about that. I did - now the marriage is the hard part...

I don't think it's necessarily shallow to have physical beauty as a desired trait in your dream person. Shallowness would be thinking that all "hot" girls are goddesses and all "unattractive" girls are worthless.

And I guess I'll just keep quiet from the whole "soulmate" discussion, because I've never been in any real relationship, and thus am not qualified. I'm fairly sure that time will come for me... but to be honest, there are currently more important things in my life(both priorities and personal stuff) than having a girlfriend.

My cousin James Jr. died awhile back without finding anyone special. I have known several other people who also passed on alone. It will happen to other people in the future. What does your belief say about that? I'm sorry, but reality simply doesn't work that way. You play the hand you're dealt and hope it's a winning hand, but whether it's cards or life, not everybody wins.

Sorry for your loss, Cassini.

There are lots of pretty girls around me, but by and large they are materialistic and shallow, i feel no desire or love for them at all. Their values are so far from mine they really don't appeal to me. I've got nobody, and i'm actually very depressed about that. I'm not bad looking, maybe a 6 or 7, but until the right girl comes along i'll be alone. You probably know that most all of the guys in school these days are chauvinists, which is quite off-putting seeing as i'm a "nice guy" and the women flock to the jerks. Not that I like these women, mind you, its just the principle of the thing that bothers me.

BTW: I met a wonderful "Frankie" not too long ago, her personality and physical appearance are mind-blowing, and she's single...now i just need to get up the courage to ask her out...

I'm sorry to hear that, Cassini. I'm sorry if I stired up some painful memories. And I can see you're point.

No apology necessary; it was way back in February, and I was just citing a personal example.

That's always bothered the hell out of me ever since high school. I've always been one of the nice guys; I'm supportive, compassionate, helpful when asked, usually gentle but a raging bull when necessary, never abusive, and I don't cheat (dang, that sounds familiar :( ), yet so often it's the jackasses with the opposite traits that have someone to care about. It really makes me sad, sometimes to the point of tears. :'(


Edit - Guys, I just reread the last several posts, and it seems we've gotten completely off-topic. If anyone wants to start a new thread about all this angst in the "Way Off Topic" section, be my guest. In the meantime, anyone want to talk about Frankie? :frankiesmile:

Yeah, you're right, so...

Frankie is such a great character! She is actually the reason i really got hooked on the show, i was so impressed with the level of character development and the jokes that are funny to everybody aged 6 to 60.

"Edit - Guys, I just reread the last several posts, and it seems we've gotten completely off-topic. If anyone wants to start a new thread about all this angst in the "Way Off Topic" section, be my guest. In the meantime, anyone want to talk about Frankie?"

Not me Cass, I am like Mary Poppins - "perfect in every way!":frankiesmile:

I will talk about Frankie from sun up to sun down; There is still alot we do not know about her - but there is enough to get a couple of hours worth of our beloved redhead in!:frankiesmile:

Before I forget, I stitched this together from two screencaps:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1.../PDVD_046a.jpg

I've always liked full-length shots. I haven't tried to do this with the LBD because none of the screencaps match up very well for the large amount of splicing that would be involved. Of course, if we keep talking about it, maybe CN will take the hint... :frankiesmile:

I too like full shots Cass. Nice job - she looks cute!:frankiesmile:

You never cease to amaze me, Cassini! Great pic!:D

Sorry for your loss Cass but I've expierenced loss, and to a degree, love, and I still think that goes back to the whole point of fate and as you said "hand your dealt". I believe reality can be cruel but I don't think reality's function is to be cruel, and having said that, I too will drop the issue.

It's nice to see a full body shot as everyone else said, it's much more interesting and flattering to see Frankie in total rather then just a cute smiling face.

Not that there's anything wrong with that face. :frankiesmile:

The hard part with the last two shots I posted was that the caps used weren't the right size for each other. Paint resizes them quite nicely, but it's hit or miss to get the numbers right. Also, you get better results by shrinking the larger caps rather than expanding the smaller ones.

Just thought I'd pass that along. ;)

This may sound real corny, but I have been putting anything to do with Frankie in her own file. Cass, I have put your screen grabs there as well.:frankiesmile:

Dude, I do the same dang thing, both with the stuff I download and my own creations, complete with subfolders (avatars, screencaps, fanart, Sims, etc.). Some of the best stuff ends up getting printed and framed. :frankiesmile:

If I ever met Frankie I would ask her what styling products she uses on her hair. Seriously.

I'd like to ask, Frankie about what she thinks of beards since I have one.;)

I'd do the next best thing, I'd ask Frankie......out :frankiesmile:.

I know I'm not exactly prime boyfriend material and not had alot of expierence with having girlfriends. But I feel connected to her personally, age wise (same age), and just on a more....frienlider level.

I know some people probably won't like me saying this, but I wanna be honest.

I would be bumbly and hesitant like Frankie was on FMD, if I took her out for even a cup of coffee!:frankiesmile:

I don't think anyone here would be mad at you for being honest, Mr.Mashmallow. All you did was say what everyone here has on their mind: Take Frankie out on a date.:D

Another from my personal collection:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1.../100_1613a.jpg

One of my favorites; this one is usually on my desk. :frankiesmile:

Sod it - my fiancee wouldn't like it. She doesn't like the show even:wiltshock:, but I love her for her faults.:frankiesmile:

I'd settle for being her friend, personally, but yeah i'd ask her out for coffee (drink it black or don't drink it at all) in a heartbeat, maybe to go to the jazz festival. Thats always fun.

I HAVE to settle for Frankie being a friend; the problem I see, is my fiancee would not like her. But like I said I love my wife-to-be for her faults.:frankiesmile:

LOL! Lucky ducky, i envy you :frankiesmile:

That is VERY cool, Cassini! Maybe I should do something like that.

please do!

My point being I know sometimes people can get overly obsessive over certain things even being SAID about their favorite characters, I got into this huge pissing contest at my old Teen Titans forum (by "my" I mean I went there alot) because I disliked the character, Terra.

I personally don't think anyone here or elsewhere should take offense to wanting to date or saying they'd like to go out with Frankie, or that they think they would get along with her. Cause to be honest, I do feel I have alot in common personal wise with her. Doesn't mean she WOULD date me.

But like I said, one of the things that drew me to her was similarities. I end up doing alot of the cleaning and tidying up around my house, I'm exactly the same age as her, and I tend to find the good in everything so it's hard for me to really hate anything or anyone unless something drastic is done.

Like how Frankie was snapped over the limit with Cheese over the security code. Anyways, I gotta say that is a VERY nice frame set up Cass, I especially like the pic in the lower right corner, I haven't seen that one often. I think I should do something like that when I get my own place.

That is real sweet Cass (the framed Frankies). Did you do screen grabs, and blow them up, or how is it done?:frankiesmile:

The photos are all screencaps, cropped and trimmed. My printer program automatically resizes them before printing. I've got more, of course, up to 8.5x11 in size, with slightly larger ones planned if I can ever find ink for my other printer. :P

they are very good...did you use photographic paper? Its a nice crisp printer.