I'm sure Bloo will remind her. And make her let him tag along.

My point was that simply due to the fact of her age, it seemed to me more likely that she wasn't able to get enough done at Foster's while she was going through high school and that. Now that she is an adult, she seems able to devote more time to it.

I'm not saying it's unthinkable, but it does seem a bit strange and just looking at Frankie, and this is by no way an insult, I just can't fit colleage graduate with her. But I think this is being way too overthought considering that it's obvious the show isn't gonna go to deep into this kind of material.

We only have loose bits and words that indicate what her education life or expierence is, and that's not enough to fully say she's this or that.

Mr. M, I'm curious as to your interpretation of the line "Wow, I heard that's a really tough major, I'm impressed. So, what do you do now that you've graduated?"

I'm sorry if I offended you, Pitbully.:o What I meant by "collage type" was that Frankie just dosant look like she would want to be Donald Trump-like. I doubt Frankie would want to get involved with a sororety and drink (she's better then that). When I think of people who take collage seriously, I think of people who will be very sucsesful and get one of those jobs where you wear a suit all the time (nothing wrong with that).
But I guess not everyone goes to collage to get that kind of life-style. I just never really knew anyone who went and I'm just ignorant about the subject. I'm really sorry.:( I hope I didant offend any of you.

I'm just saying it just seems odd to me that she'd finish at that age. Not impossible just odd, and it doesn't say what she graduated from.

I'm not saying he';s referring to high school I'm just saying, to me, she doesn't look it is all.

MOST people who are in college are actually the exact OPPOSITE of Donald Trump(did he even go to college? I know Bill Gates didn't.). Most-at least for the first couple of years-are there to celebrate being away from their parents and to PART-TAY! Yeah, there's the usual share of geeks, and preppies, but most are just kids. You didn't offend me at all, but I thought I needed to set the record straight about "college types", since I've been one, and known many. College is when most kids really "let their hair down", so to speak. The only ones you'll see wearing suits at most colleges and universities in the US are professors, and most of THEM don't(seriously, college profs tend to be some REALLY strange people), unless you're at a religious college, one operated by a large Fundamentalist church.

pitbulllady

(I apologize for veering into a completely different matter than the one discussed in the last handful of posts, but this is something I really have to get off of me for the sake of my sanity.)

You guys know how much I love Frankie. I do my best to express that love and passion for her in as civilized and decent way possible, but sometimes I'll go a little over-the-top. A month ago, I REALLY lost it for a brief period when discussing the Mattel toys, which evolved into an incredibly irrational post here worrying that her role would be diminished. That was actually somewhat of my personal reaction to the constant citation by fans of the so-called "Foster's 5"(Mac, Bloo, Wilt, Eduardo and Coco), which gave the vibe that Frankie was meaningless by comparison. To be honest, though, that doesn't the case at all; Frankie actually has had a pretty large role as of late, and it seems she will continue to do so for now. (I'm starting to think it's MR. HERRIMAN who's been getting a lil' shafted lately, but that's another issue entirely which I'll leave for another time).

I'm quite happy about that... and depending on the nature in which she's handled for her next major roles, it might or might not do something about the fact that I still feel depressed and hurt about what happened to her in "Imposter's Home For, Um... Make 'Em Up Pals".

For months, my affair with that episode has had two sides. On some days, I'm able to joke about it in a lighthearted way, like using the term "The Episode That Shall Not Be Named" or joking about Frankie having to explain her experience with Goofball to her parents... and then on other days, my hatred of it would run high, the perfect example being my streak of heated posts on Goofball's own thread. I've tried my best to make sure the former side triumphs over the latter. I've done everything I could to just get over that episode and move on.

Sigh.

I can't. Instead, I will be simple and blunt. I ABSOLUTELY FREAKING HATE THAT EPISODE, AND CONSIDER IT AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE TO FOSTER'S AND AN OUT-AND-OUT INSULT TO FRANKIE.

I've seen all the attempts to defend and justify that episode's existence. I admire that there are some who actually enjoyed it, but NONE of these have done anything to make me accept it. In fact, some of these have succeeded in making me feel even worse. Lauren Faust's defense on ToonZone makes sense, from a logical viewpoint. But from my personal emotional level, the very one that is deeply sympathetic to Frankie and was wounded by the events of the episode, well... I got the feeling that Mrs. Faust completely failed to grasp just how far they crossed the line. And that, quite frankly, only hurt me even more. And then there's the rationale of some that Frankie "deserved to miss her concert", which with all due respect, is ABSOLUTE CRAP. AND I'm also insulted by those who brag about how they "aren't pandering to fans", in retrospect of "The Big Cheese", an episode that only seems to exist because of peer pressure from Cheese's popularity... and, go figure, it also gave Frankie a tough time(Nowhere near as "Imposter's", of course; but I probably would've hated it as much if it ended when the news team arrived and thus left her on a bad note).

Even the most casual referrence to the episode feels like a stab to the heart. Mr. Marshmellow mentioned how Frankie dressed up as an imaginary friend in the cartoon crushes thread. Over at IMDb, Pitbulllady cited Frankie's grocery woes as being funny because it's "been there done that". Both of these posts angered and depressed me, solely because it was a reminder of the episode that I was desperately trying to forget. The latter is ESPECIALLY upsetting, because while the grocery bit on it's own could've been somewhat funny on it's own, the sum of what happens to Frankie in that episode is definitely not.

In fact, and as pathetic as this might sound; I've become a little traumatized by the episode. I can't think of biology or laboratory experiments without being reminded that such is how Frankie's whole ordeal began. I can't go into a grocery store anymore without thinking about how she was sent to re-purchase the groceries because Bloo and Goofball ate everything. And I will never be able to attend a concert without feeling deeply guilty over how Frankie had to miss hers. It's gotten THAT bad for me.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: I hope the writers never do such an episode again. Never. I appreciate that they're as capable of affecting us on a deep emotional level as much as they are of making us laugh... but even by that standard, "Imposter's" was simply too much. I don't think I could ever handle another one like it.

I'm looking forward to seeing Frankie in "Emancipation Complication", as well as "Good Wilt Hunting". And I sincerely hope that whatever Frankie-related surprises Season 5 has in store for us will be of the good kind.

The cartoon remark was simply to add to the point that cartoon characters can act differently, as in, not who they are. The point was simply to add to the fact that Frankie was trying to be something she was not, this wasn't an insult to her.

Out of anyone on this board, you know I don't harbor any remotely possible negative feelings or comments to Frankie. I understand your frustration and feelings towards the episode, believe me, there are episodes on other shows that i feel exactly the same way.

But please don't feel bad if someone mentions the episode unless someone is using it to harm someone or something from the show, like you said with the grocery bit. I didn't mention the dressing up thing as a jab, it was simply a reference to the topic at hand.

If you hate the episode then that's fine, but I would suggest relaxing a bit if any mentioning of it does come up. The episode DID happen, it DOES exist, and nothing you say or do will change that. I simply suggest you try to calm the biological loathing for the episode.

You love Frankie like many of us do, and hating a Frankie bashing episode is perfectly understandable. But lashing out at any possible reference to it is a bit much, just cool off and don't focus so much of your energy towards hating an episode every time it's brought up.

Don't worry, Vox. Frankie pulled through that ordeal well enough. I'm sure we're going to get a "Frankie appreciation" episode sooner or later. And If you think about it, Bloo had a really tough episode with "The Sweet Stench of Success" too. And "Good Wilt Hunting" looks like Wilt is going to have a really uninjoyable time before the episodes expected happy ending.
If it helps, I find that these episodes are meant to show the characters in a very vulnerable and state that we can all relate to. And it certainly helps make us love our favorite characters even more because of it. These episodes help shape and solidify the characters in a way that we could all learn from, and is to not dwell on the negatives and focus on the bright side. I could make some examples of how IHFMUP's could be considerd a learning experiance for Frankie, but that can wait for another time.
I don't think Mrs. Faust meant any malice against Frankie or her fans at all. I think she just didant relize how wonderful of a character that she made that we all have fallen in love with so much that it breaks our hearts to see her have to suffer in the slightest.
I love Frankie as much as you do, Vox and I get a very warm and fuzzy feeling everytime I think of her. I guess I'm just trying to say that we don't like the episode because of how it treats Frankie, but for some reason or another that you may have overlooked. You don't have to like the episode, it's you're choice and right to hate it with a passion. In fact, you have my full support in hateing the episode with you're entire being.8D
PS- Pitbully, thanks for the enlightenment regarding the mindset of collage-goers. I'm just glad I didant hurt you're, or anyone else's feelings.:D

I don't see college folks as having a particular "look". Most college kids I know (and I know many) are pretty unique and many will graduate at or before age 22. And now I'm realizing that I'm pretty much paraphrasing what Pitbulllady already said.
I think Frankie's age (22) combined with the term "major" and the implication that her graduation was recent are strong arguments that she's been written as a college graduate.

Donald Trump graduated from Wharton College at the University of Pennsylvania, by the way. Tough school, or so I've heard.

Well said by all. My feeling is that if anything positive can be said about "Imposter's", it's that it really made us care all the more about someone wonderful that we already cared about to begin with. The fact that the episode continues to upset some of us, myself included, says a lot to me about how very likable a character Frankie is, that she can inspire so much emotion in us, both positive and negative. On that note, may I suggest that we keep Goofball in his thread and out of this one? This is Frankie's thread, after all, and I'd much rather it be a thread where we talk about and celebrate her rather than waste our time on a one-shot putz who deserves only our contempt. And she's certainly worth celebrating. :frankiesmile:

For the last time, by "look" that doesn't necessarily mean college grads have a look.

It's a personal thing that people see. When you see a character, certain things in your own personal way come into your mind. This is one for me. I didn't mean to draw this out into a whole big ordeal.

I was simply saying that because of just a natural view of appearance on her, it didn't fit in my mind that she finished college. Mostly due to the fact that cartoons rarely ever cross this sort of subject.

High school is one thing but toons rarely go off into college unless it's integral to the plot and revolves around school 24/7 like shows like "Totally Spies" or "W.I.T.C.H.". I wasn't doing this to produce "facts" or quotes to back anything up.

If that's what the episode says, then that's what it says, I'm just saying at first glance, it didn't come to mind.

I was actually going to comment (or more or less, rant) about the "business suit/Trump" thing. That's just.... yeah, just, NO. Most of the rich and famous didn't even GO to college. Business has got nothing to do with being a college graduate. When I think "college", I think about lawyers, doctors, psychiatrists, teachers, or a career that requires more than just a high school diploma and even a Bachelor's degree. Funny thing, I actually posted something just like this concerning Frankie's college education and degree on another thread. I forgot which one though. :p

I've never seen "Frankie My Dear", but I don't know just how much more obvious a line like, "Wow, I heard that's a really tough major" and "So, what do you do now that you've graduated?" has to be. These are the words we all use when referring to a college education. I don't get how some people think that graduating college at the age of 21 is being too soon. I'll be turning 21 next May, about a week after my college graduation. I'd say Frankie indeed finished college, though at her age, she couldn't have obtained more than a Bachelor's.

No ordeal my friend, just some entertaining discussion. You know from prior discussions with me that I just like to talk about things that are interesting and like to see other perspectives. Prior to reading this thread, I thought Frankie's college education was something all fans simply assumed as a given. That's obviously not the case and I'm curious as to why.

"She doesn't look it at all" carries the implication that college folks have a certian look (one that Frankie does not match). That's what I saw, that's what prompted my statements. My apologies for any misinterpretation.


DoubleLatte, most of the rich and famous didn't go to college, but I'd wager that most of the rich (and not famous) did. While not always neccessary to work in certain business positions (but a must in areas like accounting), a college business degree (even a bachelor's) can open up a lot of doors. There's no substitute for hard work, though.

Now, let us not forget the most important thing about college...
Basketball.

Sorry for breaking the flow of the conversation, but I haven't gotten to say how I feel about Frankie yet, and I really want to. Forgive me if I say something that's been said already, but I really don't have the patience to read through 40+ pages of opinions. No offense, I just want to put my two cents in.

I really, really, really love Frankie, and I'd like to see more of her like we did in the first season. It's bothered me to no end how she's seemingly being phased out, as I think she's too important a character to just do that too. Hopefully, the upcoming Emancipation Complication will do just that. My fingers are crossed, at least.

I think, in a lot of ways, the appeal Frankie has for me is because I can make similarities (somewhat) between myself and her. For one, I have a job (somewhat) similiar to her's, though not on as grand a scale, as I'm merely part of the cleaning crew for a Wal-Mart Supercenter (yes, I work at Wal-Mart; least it's a job). Again, it's nowhere near the task Frankie has, but I can understand where a lot of her frustration comes from. Other than that, the similiarities are fairly basic and generic: kindness, occasional short temper, ect.

Just my two cents for now.

I couldn't agree more.

I used to think she was being phased out, for a brief while. I'll be honest, I HATE the whole concept of the "Foster's Five"(Mac, Bloo, Wilt, Ed and Coco) because it gives the feeling that Frankie is second-rate and unimportant by comparison; and I originally expressed it by fearing that Mattel would snub her for their upcoming line of Foster's toys. I still kinda am; but what I REALLY care about is for Frankie to continue being a prominent part of the show.

She's had a pretty big role in Season Four, especially the later episodes... and after how she's "paid her dues" recently(i.e: being lied to and deceived in "Bus the Two of Us", and nearly going crazy from stress in "The Big Cheese"), I think she's earned the right to shine in "Emancipation Complication".

I'm anticipating that episode almost as much as the Wilt fans are anticipating GWH. :) :frankiesmile:

As am I. I caught a very brief preview of the episode yesterday afternoon where Frankie was telling Madam Foster that "He locked us in a closet!", presumably referring to Lil' Lincoln (who does look a little like Lincoln). I'm totally psyched for this episode! :frankiesmile:

Frankie goes to Hollywood...

would that joke be too corny to revisit?

I doubt that they will ever phase Frankie out of the show, she's too popular and important. The commercial for "Good Wilt Hunting" show's that she's as involved as ever by takeing the gang on a bus then plane ride in the hunt for Wilt.

Well she's definitely grown more as the show has progressed. Her role in "Bloo's the Boss" was pretty large in the beginning, well large might not be the right word. But she had plenty of air time and I loved her "insanity" cases.

"Big Cheese" and "Bus the two of us" may have been torturous for Frankie, but as we saw from the endings, she more or less wasn't as completely miserable about the whole thing as she has had with OTHER episodes.

I think this kind of torture is funny because as this proved out to be the case, neither episode was designed to put Frankie through hell 24/7. Mac probably went through more stress in "Bus" despite Frankie's legal backlashes.

And considering how she turned Cheese's disaster around in "Big Cheese", I think it's safe to say she's a much stronger person thanks to these newer episodes. Plus, she was funny as hell when she was snapping at Cheese.

I didn't say those episodes were funny, far from it. "Bus the Two of Us" was great. And I've said countless times that "The Big Cheese" was saved from being an unfunny mess thanks to Frankie's many reactions to the titular character.

I only brought up those episodes noting that Frankie definitely "paid her dues"(aka SUFFERED) in them. She presumably went through a legal nightmare thanks to Bloo's actions in BTTOU, nearly had her(and all of Foster's) good name smeared by the media in TBC, and if the Fridays sneak peek is any indication, Lil' Lincoln is going to give her a hard time as well. She deserves to shine in a more positive way, and hopefully the outcome to her role in EC will provide that.

I wouldn't worry too much about the whole legal thing since that's obviously not really gonna play into the show ever again. If that was the case, Bloo would have been tracked down after that couch stunt he pulled back in "Store Wars".

But also that Frankie didn't suffer alone, Eduardo sure suffered a bit in "Big Cheese" and I doubt Wilt enjoyed stressing himself out over all the lying in "Bus". But like i said, Frankie's a strong girl and she's bounced back from alot worse then this.

Sure it would be nice to see her have a totally suffer free day, but in a way, seeing her temper tantrums are funny because it's a part of who she is. I always love how she screams Bloo's name when she usually talks to him as opposed to anyone else.

But seriously, don't worry about it, Frankie's built on better things.

"Frankie's built on better things"... That would make a great sig!

Frankie goes to a basketball game...

another good one.

I definitely am in love with Frankie (don't tell my significant other); we both have the same names: she is Frances, I am Francis. I am probably old enough to be her father, but she is a true all American girl. And besides - she's a redhead!

Redheads are great alright. And Frankie's the greates of them all!:bloogrin

I believe that she is like a big sister to the imaginary friends. That's why she likes them so much. I wonder how she feels for human friends she has made like Mac.

She likes humans, too. Mac is hardly the only human friend she has; she's mentioned a woman named Kathy more than once, and I'm sure she thinks of Madam Foster as a friend as well as her grandmother.

And I'm sure Mr. Harreman counts as a friend too. I love that love-hate relationship of theirs.8D They never do show Kathy do they? I guess it's kind of like Mariss in Frasier.

Just not as skinny. ;) I would like to meet Kathy at some point in the series, as well as Frankie's other friends outside the house. I don't think she has a lot, due to the amount of time and energy she has to spend maintaining the house, but I have no doubt she has more than some people give her credit for.

With her charisma I'd find it hard to believe that at least some of her peers wouldn't put effort into keeping in touch with her. She's worth the flip-floppy schedules and cancellations (that are entirely not her fault).

And heck, I'd be friends with Madame Foster. Bowling grannies are where it's at!

Sigh... I wish I lived in cartoon land. Frankie would be such a great person to hang around with. I think what would be really interesting for me would be seeing how my personallity and hers interact. I'm shy and introverted where she seems more outgoing and outspoken, but she has that very tender and loveing side that would probobly make her a very passiant person with anyone.
Actually, that would be a neat sweepstakes or something. Haveing yourself implemented into the show for an episode to see how the cast would react to you.:D

That would be brilliant!

Damn straight! I would KILL to be put into the show as a character, I think that show would be the best place to do that sort of thing, and I think Cartoon Network would be the kind of network that would allow that kind of thing.

My only hope that is if they EVER did that, they don't make it some stupid "kids only" crap contest. Lik I'm 22 and I don't want the fact that I'm an adult (more or less) prohibit me from have a chance of winning the contest you know?

It would be really hurtful if they just went with some 12 or 13 year old just cause it's a kid based network. Now I actually disagree with you Medikor. I think Frankie would totally go for the shy and nice type, look how she was on her date with Dylan.

Frankie HERSELF was shy and nervous. She's open and friendly at Foster's because its her job to take care of people, and she is by nature a friendly and loving person. But, like most people are, they are shy and nervous when it comes to meeting people.

Or in this case dating them. But Frankie is the kind of person who finds the good in situations, after her routine meltdown screaming fit, she always takes things as they come and looks on the bright side. Something I also share in common with her :frankiesmile:.

I think if she really liked you or anyone that was shy, she would like them for who they are and not let a personality quirk like that affect her friendship or relationship with them.

I definitely agree with you there. I too happen to be outgoing at my job, but when it comes to meeting people - I am Mr. Social Faux Pas!:cheesegrin:
I think Frankie would like a guy like me (again don't tell my GF). I always look for that ray of hope after an insane workday!:frankiesmile:

Unfortunately, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Cartoon Network these days wants to appeal overwhelmingly to kids and tell everyone else "well, you have Adult Swim, SO SCRAM!". If they ever did that, I think executives would benefit more from a 10-year-old going on some adventure with the "Foster's Five"(And probably lots of Cheese) than someone outside of CN's core demographic interacting with a character that isn't merchandising-friendly and is more popular with hardcore fans than children.

But I agree 100% about Frankie prefering shy and nice people. A good part of what makes her so great is how she DOESN'T fall for jerks; she deserves better, and she knows it.

Well if they actually ever did this and that became the case, it only reveals that they are INDEED ass #%@s. The kid demographic crap shouldn't inhibit the basic point of a contest, it's whoever wins it WINS IT. That's the whole point of a contest.

Having a 10 year old wouldn't make a bit of difference if you ask me. Frankie is a fine example of how good an older character can be, it all determines how you use then. Old man Rivers, Terrance, Dylan, there all fine examples of above average older characters on the show.

Seperating it just for kids is ignorant, more adults and teens watch cartoons these days more then ever. Ratings are ratings, and if someone actually loves the show and wants to be on it and actually did win the contest, age shouldn't matter.

I have just as much right to love the show and want to be on it then any other 10 year old, as long as there making money off the show, it shouldn't matter who their audience is. Targeted audiences is one thing, actual RESULTS are another.

I'll stop now since Frankie's the focus here but still, I just had to get that off my chest.

Silly Question
 

Where did some of you get the "Frankie is Love" siggys - I want one!:cheesegrin:

I think I found it browsing somewhere on the web looking for Foster's avatars and icons and stuff.

Usually sites that have avatars for Fosters have signature banners. But I don't recall the exact site I found it at, I'll have to check.