Goofball John Magee

[Voxxyn]

I think that next time the Fake-Outz or any other band that Frankie likes come to perform in/near Wilson Way, when the concert is done(which Frankie would attend as V.I.P.), Goofball should be forced to clean and scrub the stadium 100% spotless from top-to-bottom all by his own. Yes, the entire stadium.

Since he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, there would preferably be a small group of big and menacing security men to 'monitor' him(but not assist with the actual cleaning, of course).

[Nathander]

My problem with that logic is this, Cassini:

Lets take a hypothetical trip to the store with your hypothetical little brother. While at the store, you're little brother is messing around with a jar of pickles and drops it, shattering the glass and making pickles, pickle juice, and glass scatter every which way. The store will, most likely, call maintenance to clean up the mess while you will be expected to pay for the damage.

So the problem here is this: being Frankie's job, she is obliged to clean up any messes made in the house. Meanwhile, the person who has made the mess (Goofball) wouldn't be made to clean it up. He could, however, be expected to pay for damages (the houses' food he ate, ect.) and thus that could possibly logically be forced on his family. And, to a degree, I think that could be a possibility, considering Goofball wasn't abandoned or given up, but had come to the House on his own accord, possibly with the sole intent of mooching for awhile.

Just my two cents, really.

[Cassini90125]

I grant that, however this is one of those cases where logic goes out the window, as there's a lot of emotion involved. From my perspective, the only thing I can see is that the woman I love suffered a horrendous day, and the source of that suffering must be made to pay for it, and pay in full.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

The only problem with that is letting things that are personal get in the way of reasoning. Granted, I hate Goofball's treatment of Frankie but if I was in a position to punishmen him, I know it wouldn't help if I went ballistic on him.

I can see your side Cass but I do think it's important to keep anger and personal issues in check when doing something that regards punishing another.

Just my 4 cents.

[Cassini90125]

I agree. However, in some cases that can be very difficult, even impossible. For me, this is one of those cases. I want justice, yes, but I also want vengeance.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Just keep in mind those 2 are very different things, and the line often gets blurred with anger.

My only suggestion would be to take a page from Frankie's book and not let this thing control you and keep your pissed off at Goofball 24/7.

At least not wanting crush, kill, and destroy him. I say he deserves to get a karma ass kicking but that's it, any further and it's pushing the bill too far.

[Cassini90125]

Actually, the only time I think much about the little waste product is when a new post about him comes up. 8D

[fosters home fan]

I thought of something! Instead of posting about how much we want to"kill destroy rip burn and scrunch" goofball, why don't we read Invader Bloo's fanfic "The torturing of eh goofball"? As much as I hate that little dungball,:frankiemad: I am sure that reading the fan fic above would help.Maybe?:frankiesmile: I wasn't trying to go off topic.

[Cassini90125]

Read it, was greatly amused, and want to see a movie version. :D

[Invader Bloo]

The fact that the other IFs raised no objections to Goofball's actions makes things worse, not better.



Goofball would've still been a reckless jerk, and Frankie would've still been horribly mistreated.

Exactly what I was gonna say.

[duck2k]

Why doesn't Frankie just tie Goofball to the Foster's bus and drag him?

[fosters home fan]

Why doesn't Frankie just tie Goofball to the Foster's bus and drag him?

Or weld him to railway tracks and let a really heavy train roll over him. (I know what I said in my other post about trying not to post"how would I want to kill goofball" stuff, but I couldn't resist :P

[taranchula]

Why doesn't Frankie just tie Goofball to the Foster's bus and drag him?

Or weld him to railway tracks and let a really heavy train roll over him. (I know what I said in my other post about trying not to post"how would I want to kill goofball" stuff, but I couldn't resist :P


Because in both cases, she would go to jail, and no one will ever see her again. That's why! :jk:

[duck2k]

Because in both cases, she would go to jail, and no one will ever see her again. That's why! :jk:

Ah well...it was just a thought!:frankiesmile:

[taranchula]

Yeah because, the absolute last thing anyone wants to see is Frankie in an orange jumpsuit, with a brush cut and tattoos all over her body spending her days lifting weights and making license plates.

It's not worth it just because ONE imaginary friend out of a house of hundreds was being a jerk for a few hours.

[Voxxyn]

Taranchula is right--but in that case, I think what Goofball did to Frankie is(or SHOULD be) jail-time worthy.

[One Radical Dude]

Taranchula is right--but in that case, I think what Goofball did to Frankie is(or SHOULD be) jail-time worthy.

Oh, come on, Voxxyn. 8D That's ridiculous.

[Invader Bloo]

Well he did basically steal her money by taking her tickets.

[Nathander]

Actually, she wouldn't have been able to go to the concert anyway because she gave her ticket money to Mac, using it to keep him quiet and not tell everyone she was Goof-Goof. Goofball didn't do anything to her tickets or the money she would have used to buy them.

[fosters home fan]

Yeah because, the absolute last thing anyone wants to see is Frankie in an orange jumpsuit, with a brush cut and tattoos all over her body spending her days lifting weights and making license plates.

It's not worth it just because ONE imaginary friend out of a house of hundreds was being a jerk for a few hours.

AAAAAAAAUGH!I would never want to see that! But wasn't goofball a jerk for a whole day?!:wiltshock:

[montitech]

AAAAAAAAUGH!I would never want to see that! But wasn't goofball a jerk for a whole day?!:wiltshock:

ONly Frankie and Frankie Fans think GoofBall was a jerk for the Day.

As far as I can see watching the episode nobody else was upset with Goofball. And it was not becasue Goofball tried to hide his personallity from the others, it was because no one else saw any harm in his behavour.

Goofball going to Jail, That is just obserd. Yes he did move the bus, and did some other mischivouse things, However his behavour was that of a cartooned teenager and thus was appropiate for the episode. Does anyone really think the Police would take a 15ish year old boy into custody for those kind of pranks. Personally I do not think that would happen, (Unless it was juvinal delinkwent teenager or in a exclusive neighborhood) and in the glimps of goofball John Mcgee's life that we saw he was only mischivouse not a derelict.

wow is my spelling really bad today.
Monty :-/

[CG]

Taranchula is right--but in that case, I think what Goofball did to Frankie is(or SHOULD be) jail-time worthy.

...if that were true, then why aren't local jails full of delinquint youths who do that to their mothers/sisters? He didn't do her any bodily harm, he didn't assault her in any way, he didn't do anything worthy of jail time. What did he do exactly? Make a mess of the arcade, take advantage of the hospitality of Fosters, act like a little idiot most of the time and other assorted things. If that's worthy of jail time, then man.

[Partymember]

me and R. Lee Ermey will bust Frankie out of jail.

[Voxxyn]

I don't hate Goofball solely because he did mischievous things, but because of the viciously cruel effect it had on Frankie. He DID assault her in a way: he simultaneously caused her severe physical exhaustion from working too hard all day and having to clean an entire mansion 'top-to-bottom', humiliated her in public by exposing her Goof-Goof routine(which might've been her fault, but it was basically the only chance she had by then), and hurt her emotionally via missing the concert despite all the excessive amount of work she did.

It was not "some random mischievous events", it was an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE.

[Jabberwocky]

No matter how much you exaggerate what happened, it's still silly to want to throw him in jail.

[montitech]

I don't hate Goofball solely because he did mischievous things, but because of the viciously cruel effect it had on Frankie. He DID assault her in a way: he simultaneously caused her severe physical exhaustion from working too hard all day and having to clean an entire mansion 'top-to-bottom', humiliated her in public by exposing her Goof-Goof routine(which might've been her fault, but it was basically the only chance she had by then), and hurt her emotionally via missing the concert despite all the excessive amount of work she did.

It was not "some random mischievous events", it was an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE.

I think you are INsulting Frankie in your last post Voxxyn, Frankie is not a Little helpless winp, that is so easily hurt and emotionaly distressed. if she was then we would all feel bad for her, but she would also not have all the fans that she has. Frankie is Strong Spirited, independent, and Hardy enough to take all the abuse she recieved. She is not devistated by missing a concert, I am sure like everyone else she has missed more than one consert in her life. Frankie is not a Premadona, nor is she ragdoll. So if you Hate Goofball for the reasons you describe in your last post, it would seem by induction to also have a very low view of what Frankie is capable of handling.

Maybe your Hatred should be directed to the Episode writer, creator, and Staff. (at least if your hatred for goofball is that strong then it should also be directed at the once that enabled, and created him to do what he did.)

well for that matter, maybe one should be Angery with CN for reshowing the episode so much.

Either way, according to the poll of this thread, It looks statistically dead even on bell curve of Goofball/episode Haters and Lovers. Since the poll was started it has always remained very even.

So I would say overall: Franky Fans Get a Hold of yourselves. Frankie is a Strong Character that can easily withstand the trials of Goofball, thus you can dislike goofball but Stop Making Frankie look like a delicate flower, becase remember in her own words "but I'm Punk rock." (from setting a president after bloo called her a poser on the speaker)

monty :-/

ps: Mods feel free to edit or delete if this is out of line.

[Cassini90125]

It's not out of line, don't worry about it. For me, the point is not whether or not she can take it; like you I thing she's a strong, capable woman, and I have no doubt that she recovered from Goofball's antics faster than her fans did. No, for me the point is simply that she suffered. She was hurt by the events, and I want Goofball to suffer for it. I don't like seeing Frankie in pain, and my heart cries for her because I care about her so much, and my soul screams for vengeance because Goofball must be held accountable for hurting her.

[Voxxyn]

I am not devaluing Frankie as a character, nor do I view her as a delicate flower or ever want her to become one. Her strong and indepedent nature is a key trait as to why I love her. Her personality--a tough, durable, no-nonsense, heart-on-sleve, wildly emotional and ill-tempered young woman who is also very compassionate, caring and loving--is wonderful. She's strong without being a snotty feminist stereotype, kind without being sickly saccharine, and incredibly hot without the 'too good for you' attitude. She's a rare gem in a sea of tired cliches and unlikeable female fictional character stereotypes.

When thinking of Goofball's actions and the episode in which they took place, I measure the severity of Frankie's ordeal in relation to how deeply sympathetic she is and how much she does for the house and the IFs. The moment I do that, my mood sours instantly. I already know she's a strong person. Sometimes I tell myself "Well, at least she's built strong enough to put up with that stuff, right?" to try and ease myself. It works for a while... but at the end of the day, I end up thinking about how good of a person Frankie is and how much it hurt to see her(of ALL people) to go through that experience.

I don't feel outright anger towards any of the Foster's crew, but neither can I say that I'm 100% cool with the fact that they were the ones responsible. I'm disappointed with how Craig Lewis(and anybody who might've helped uncredited) wrote the episode, and with how Craig McCracken and the rest of the crew agreed to it without consideration of it's potential of hurting Frankie fans. And to this day, it still upsets me that Lauren Faust dismissed everybody who disliked/hated the episode as "wanting the characters to hold hands and be 100% happy"(WHICH I DO NOT).

With that said, I'd like to announce that this will be my final post on Goofball's thread for the rest of the year. With Christmas nearing, I'd like to focus on the positive for a while; i.e, think about Frankie's many great moments and scenes, and not this unfortunate mistake of an episode.

P.S. 'I'm punk rock' is from Everybody Knows It's Bendy, not Setting A President. :P

[Nathander]

I don't feel outright anger towards any of the Foster's crew, but neither can I say that I'm 100% cool with the fact that they were the ones responsible. I'm disappointed with how Craig Lewis(and anybody who might've helped uncredited) wrote the episode, and with how Craig McCracken and the rest of the crew agreed to it without consideration of it's potential of hurting Frankie fans. And to this day, it still upsets me that Lauren Faust dismissed everybody who disliked/hated the episode as "wanting the characters to hold hands and be 100% happy"(WHICH I DO NOT).

You're missing the fact that many episodes which we usually don't find to be hurtful towards a certain character/s, do in fact contain the potential to be hurtful to the fans of those characters in the things that happen to those characters. I think they didn't really put any consideration into the thought due to the fact that they believed (and I think rightfully so) that people would see it all in good fun. While it doesn't seem this way to you because of your fixation on the character, I find it hard to believe that they had ever intended for this episode to be hurtful to Frankie fans, and I find it overwhelming that people are unable to take a joke. While I found this episode to be unfair to Frankie, my dislike in it wasn't due primarily to the fact that Frankie was mistreated (almost every character in the entire series has been mistreated in some way, many times repeatedly and not just Frankie), but because I found the episode to be technically and structurally inferior to previous ones and my dislike of Goofball. On the flip side, while I found "I Only Have Surprise for You" hurtful and mistreatful to Mac, I also found it hilarious in a lot of ways, the only part I truly disliked being the very last bit.

No offense, but I have to admit that the hostility over this episode towards the crew bothers me in several ways, as I find it to be a mixing of priorities, that is being angry at real people over the treatment of a cartoon character. But that's a whole other debate.

So I would say overall: Franky Fans Get a Hold of yourselves. Frankie is a Strong Character that can easily withstand the trials of Goofball, thus you can dislike goofball but Stop Making Frankie look like a delicate flower, becase remember in her own words "but I'm Punk rock." (from setting a president after bloo called her a poser on the speaker)

No offense, montitech, but I basically said the same "get ahold of yourselves" thing quite a ways back, around page 7 or 8 I believe (though I did so in a much less necessary, long winded, :goo: -esque way), and I doubt the real claim I made was truly heard. Though, I have to admit, I think you're getting the wrong impression from what fans like Voxxyn and Cassini are trying to express, as they've already said. To them, it's more like the honor of their lady has been tarnished, and they feel the need to redeem her.

Not that the amount of empathy they have for the character is necessarily a bad thing, of course, but I myself feel they go a bit far in their devotion and that may cause it to seem strange to others. However, we really don't have the right to judge them based on that, as we each have our own favorite character, in this fandom or another, that we probably hold as much esteem for and would defend as hard as they defend Frankie. So, really, to fault them for their devotion would be a form of hypocrisy, at least in my own opinion (not to say you do this; just to express my own opinion on the matter, as it's been bugging me and I had to get it off my chest).

So while I think you were saying the correct thing in telling them to get a bit of a grip, I think you were slightly misguided in how you felt they viewed Frankie.

No, for me the point is simply that she suffered. She was hurt by the events, and I want Goofball to suffer for it. I don't like seeing Frankie in pain, and my heart cries for her because I care about her so much, and my soul screams for vengeance because Goofball must be held accountable for hurting her.

Which would be a natural reaction for a fan. However, let's think about this a bit rationally; seeing as how we'll almost certainly never see the character again, is he really deserving of this kind of attention? While he hurt Frankie, I would wager there are people who hurt Frankie even more in her life (and, personally as an example, I'd think the emotional blow Dylan's true motives in "Frankie, My Dear" would have stung more than the aftermath of Goofball), and is he even a worthy memory in Frankie's book? I would wager not.

[Voxxyn]

OK, I'm breaking my promise--but while we're talking about getting things off our chests...

I will never, ever, ever accept this episode as being "good fun". That's the third time someone gave me the "good fun" answer in defense of the episode. It doesn't work. It only serves to frustrate me even more. I thought "good fun" was meant to entertain and give a positive feeling. I didn't know "good fun" these days is undeserved cruelty and malice.

I refuse to view this episode as "good fun" or a "joke". IMO, doing so would be an act of betrayal and disrespect towards Frankie. I love her very much. She means a lot to me; she's worth infinitely more than the "walking punching bag" nature in which she was carelessly and dishearteningly portrayed in that episode.

Like I already said, I'm not outrightly ANGRY at any of the staff. I don't want them to throw me a huge "We're Sorry" party. I just want for them to never make such hurtful episodes again. Frankie(and all the other characters) deserves better.

[montitech]

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I will never, ever, ever accept this episode as being "good fun". That's the third time someone gave me the "good fun" answer in defense of the episode. It doesn't work. It only serves to frustrate me even more. I thought "good fun" was meant to entertain and give a positive feeling. I didn't know "good fun" these days is undeserved cruelty and malice.
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Sorry to disagree, but Cruelty and Malice Comedy is very Traditional with short movies and TV, it dates back to the BW days and the silver screen Here are some names of great Comedians that have quite a bit of cruel humor: (please excuse the spelling)
Abbot and Costello,
Buster Keaton,
Lorel and Hardy,
The three stooges,
Marx Brothers (they also included more Mental abuse on the protagonis)
Charlie Chaplin.

Cruel Humer has always been just good old FUn, sometimes a bit slapsticked sometimes just cruel but always just in "Good Fun"
Alos it is very common that people do not see eye to eye on thier sence of humor, for example some people Hate the Marx Brothers but lover Chaplin. Some people hate all of these (Like my wife) and some people like them all Like myself. Duck soup is a very funny, and Abbot and Costello are a great team despite the joke usually being cruel to costello.

PS, Voxxyn, I think your last few post a few days ago were well writen to express your view. But I must take the opposite view because I did enjoy watching the episode. Maybe its because I am "a Big Insensitive Jerkface" like bloo.

Monty :-/

[Ditchy McAbandonpants]

Thanks to discussions such as these, I finally got round to watching "Imposter's Home..." today, having actively sought it out; I had to see for myself what lay at the bottom of one of the most divisive issues in the Foster's roster. I don't know if anyone will still read this, but I'm typing out my thoughts for my own benefit too. Warning: LOOONG. :)

When I was a lot younger, my brother and I saw a cartoon - possibly Warner Bros, but I'm not sure - that left a lasting impression on us for all the wrong reasons. We can't remember exactly what it was called, so we just refer to it as "The Shep Cartoon". Essentially, the cartoon centred around a dog called Shep and his various misdemeanours and mishaps, all of which were (unwittingly as I recall) blamed upon the house cat, a well-meaning but timid creature. The nature of these incidents escalates until Shep inadvertedly endangers the life of another dog, whom the cat heroically rescues - all of which, again, is attributed to Shep. The cartoon ends, I vividly remember, with Shep being lauded, and the cat wailing and banging on the foot of a large Scale of Justice - which then falls on its head. It was, basically, the ultimate example of cruel, malicious humour done wrong, a complete mismanagement of audience sympathy and was totally out of line with the accepted concept of emotional setup and payoff.

I do not think that "Imposter's Home For Uh...Make 'Em Up Pals" is another "Shep Cartoon". It skirts close, thanks to a couple of key misjudgements and inconsistencies, but I don't think that, by design, this is a cruel or mean-spirited episode, unlike the one I've cited. :wiltshock:

Goofball, clearly, is a key character here. For most of the episode, we're led to believe that he is a "Shep" of the highest order - a freeloading slacker and heartless opportunist who's willing not only to take advantage of Frankie's situation and the obliviousness of the other housemates to appease his own selfish needs, but to actually go out of of his way to make her life hell, torturing her and rubbing the whole unjust situation in her face. However, the episode's conclusion alters this outlook completely. Watching the episode again, bearing in mind this time that Goofball is actually telling the truth, and he's actually somewhat sympathetic. He IS a lost friend, separated from his family at the circus whilst off buying presents for them. He IS trying to learn how to drive so he can go home. He actually DOES want to ring them. Even the "homework" he makes Frankie do for him is actually an attempt to reunite with his family. Is he still annoying? Well yes, very - he's an oblivious blockhead who has little concept of how his actions affect those around him, but he's not actually being malicious about it. Heck, he's so stupid that you actually feel bad for him; he honestly can't remember what an imaginary friend is, and actually can't remember how to call home even though he wants to. Most tellingly of all, the episode's ending reveals that he does actually like and appreciate "Frannie" and her hard work, but just isn't on the ball enough to realise how he's inconvenienced her; something I think Frankie herself realises judging from her warm, understanding smile when Goofball presents her with the rubber nose.

Furthermore, Frankie does actually bring much of what befalls her upon herself via her not-quite-correct handling of the situation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for a second that she actually DESERVES any of what happens, but the core source of Frankie's problems in this episode is her immediate, unshakeable assumption that Goofball is not an imaginary friend. It's that certainty that stops her from resolving the issue immediately; she's so vexed by the gall of this boy, and so astounded at the gullibility of the housemates, that it almost becomes a point of pride to let the farce play out until it inevitably comes crashing down...which of course, it doesn't, because he's telling the truth. Had this idea entered her head for even a second, she would have moved quickly and directly to find out the truth, and once she realised that he was for real, would have been able to cater for and deal with him far more effiiciently. As it was, her unassailable conviction in her own judgement lead her to try and wait to "catch him out", thus prolonging and actually increasing her own suffering.

However...

The problem with the episode as I saw it was not in its concept, but its execution, with key misjudgements and mismanagement of audience reaction turning moments that should be funny into ones that are deeply annoying and actually upsetting. Key to this is a gross underestimation of the audience's sympathy for Frankie. She is one of the most sympathetic, put-upon characters in the show, one who most viewers enjoy seeing things go right for, but that needn't have been a problem, providing they remember to play her dilemma for laughs. When I say that, I don't mean that we're laughing at her misery; we should be laughing because the nature of and maifestation of her misery is funny. Store Wars was a good example of how to do that right - poor Frankie was given the run-around by all and sundry for twenty minutes, but because it's funny to watch her being given the second degree by an unhelpful, sullen store clerk, only for her to run off with Mac, hide in a clothes rack then get arrested by Coco, we don't mind laughing at her, not with her.

There were points in this episode were they got this right. Frankie's "angry face" is funny, and we see it a few times here, whilst her dealings at the supermarket work well too, as she seethes away at the oblivious old lady. What derailed this episode was the concert angle; not only is it not a funny concept, they didn't even try to play it for laughs. First mentioning that Frankie only has one or two nights off a month, that she's really desperate to go, then making her miss it and showing her scrubbing the floor looking like she's about to burst into tears - that's just sad and tragic, and needlessly provokes an emotional reaction in the audience which is at odds with the mood they were aiming for with the rest of the episode, and which as a result they can never resolve or pay off. Frankie losing her "Frankie is Right" fund was also an unnecessary kick in the teeth, especially given that the primary causes of that loss were Bloo and Herriman, both of whom act contemptuously in this episode; neither of them have Goofball's ignorance excuse, and act by turns vindictive, exploitataive and completely unappreciative, further swinging sympathy too far in Frankie's direction for the episode to function correctly. It's like Elmer Fudd - it's funny watching Bugs Bunny getting one over on him and blowing him up. If they were to include a plot strand that states that Elmer's only out hunting to feed his starving family, you ruin the joke, and that's what happens too often in "Imposter's Home...", depsite a sound enough concept, for it to work. :(



PS - Oh my goodness!! I just previewed that post...I've written a freaking dissertation! :wiltshock: Ah well, I feel better for having done it. I had been very conflicted about this episode, like a lot of people (especially big Frankie fans like I am), but I think I typed my frustrations out of my system now. :frankiesmile: I just apologise to anyone who wasted their time reading it all...not that anyone will. :P

[Partymember]

Furthermore, Frankie does actually bring much of what befalls her upon herself via her not-quite-correct handling of the situation. :P

Uh-oh...prepare for a verbal lambasting, my friend


i agree with you on that point, although I actually thought it was a good and funny episode. Everyone gets shafted once in a while. Big freakin' deal.

[Cassini90125]

Everyone gets shafted once in a while. Big freakin' deal.

For some of us it was indeed a "Big freakin' deal". I don't enjoy seeing the people I love get hurt under any circumstances, be it once in awhile or not.

[Partymember]

i realize that. I, too, love Frankie. However, since getting a bad hand is part of life, i think we need to accept it and get over it. Bad days are why god invented red wine, and a glass or two is the cure for most bad days. She has, i assume, quite recovered from her ordeal and she most certainly accepted it as a "bad day", so i see no reason why we can't accept it as thus and leave it be.

[Nathander]

Furthermore, Frankie does actually bring much of what befalls her upon herself via her not-quite-correct handling of the situation. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for a second that she actually DESERVES any of what happens, but the core source of Frankie's problems in this episode is her immediate, unshakeable assumption that Goofball is not an imaginary friend. It's that certainty that stops her from resolving the issue immediately; she's so vexed by the gall of this boy, and so astounded at the gullibility of the housemates, that it almost becomes a point of pride to let the farce play out until it inevitably comes crashing down...which of course, it doesn't, because he's telling the truth. Had this idea entered her head for even a second, she would have moved quickly and directly to find out the truth, and once she realised that he was for real, would have been able to cater for and deal with him far more effiiciently. As it was, her unassailable conviction in her own judgement lead her to try and wait to "catch him out", thus prolonging and actually increasing her own suffering.

No offense, but I only really slightly agree with you on this point. While Frankie did handle the situation poorly and more emotionally then she should have, I think her belief that Goofball was a kid pretending to be an IF was well founded. There are few people who wouldn't be suspicious of Goofball, and the other two characters we see have any actual interaction with Goofball are Bloo and Herriman. The problem here is that Bloo tends to be oblivious to obvious details and facts, and Herriman was probably willing to take Goofball's word just on the idea that people have some form of honesty. Frankie was rightly unable to do so both because of Goofball's appearance AND Goofball's actions. That was a BIG problem for me; they made Goofball's actions far too similiar to a regular teen (I still don't understand why he had to do homework), and the fact that he was supposedly so stupid as to not be able to recall even his own name and where he lived added to this. I know it was intended to make the ending more ironic, but to me it just seemed fairly poorly conceived.

Also, even if Frankie had accepted the fact that Goofball was an IF early on, and that may have saved her from having to miss the concert, she STILL would have had to do a good deal more housework than usual because of Goofball's antics. Goofball's actions would have been the same regardless whether or not Frankie acknowledged him. The fact that he was hanging out with a hellion like Bloo didn't help matters either.

I agree with the majority of what else you said, however. Very well written explanation of how you felt about the topic.

[montitech]

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I do not think that "Imposter's Home For Uh...Make 'Em Up Pals" is another "Shep Cartoon". It skirts close, thanks to a couple of key misjudgements and inconsistencies, but I don't think that, by design, this is a cruel or mean-spirited episode, unlike the one I've cited. :wiltshock:
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:P

Good post, and yes this thread has not yet dies, and at this rate it proboly never will.

a side comment, I actually misread the above sentence at first, Does/would it have meant the same like this:
It skirts close to a "Shep Cartoon." I don't think that this is a cruel or mean-spirited episode.

I agree with much of your comments particularly your observations of Goofball. However I disagree on the your comments about the execution of the episode. I would agree that the creators did not think about Frankie fans while making the episode, but I do not think they needed to. I believe this episode was never ment to be taken serious enough to Hurt any Fans. Frankie in may ways serves the role of the traditional Tragic Hero, with the fatal Flaw of "Pride" (Always having to be right). this episode opens with the assumption that frankie is always right, She had the Jar, and Bloo is always wrong. WHen Goofball apeared at the door, Frankie was faced with the delema of How to uncover that he was not a IF. in trying to do suck she lost Everything, (similar to many characters that fit the "Tragic Hero" label) With that said, I look at the end of the episode where frankie once again frankie is right and bloo forks over the coin, (That part had me in stiches after watching the episode)

I like frankie, but I do not love her as some other members may, so Maybe I am just not as sympathetic as I should be to her Blight. Maybe I just have a bad streak in me somewhere ( I do like playing Half Life) However I pose this question to Goofball Haters:
WHat whould you have thought If the whole episode was just a nightmare an frankie woke up in the end. How would this affect your opinions of this episode?


MOnty :-/

[duck2k]

WHat whould you have thought If the whole episode was just a nightmare an frankie woke up in the end. How would this affect your opinions of this episode?


MOnty :-/

Good post and a good question here. I happen to be a Frankie lover, but I also realize this is also a cartoon. While Goofball is the character you would love to hate, what would have happened if it was just a dream (albeit a bad one)? Naturally my reaction would have been 'oh just a dream.' (Sigh of relief):frankiesmile:

[Voxxyn]

(Forget I ever said anything about "brief departure". I lied to myself, and I confess it. I've been having a great Christmas, BTW... but this remains a matter I can't easily forget)

Ditchy McAbandonpants, you make great points all around. There are a few things I'd like to say, though.

1. I refuse to show any pity to Goofball. As of right now, he doesn't deserve it. He was given special treatment the entire day. He became instant buddies with Bloo. He ate all of the house's food and didn't get punished for it. He had human friends nearby which he brought in(so much for him being a 'lonely, friendless boy'). He went to the very concert that he caused Frankie to miss. And in the end, he gets reunited with his family. Basically, everything went spectacularly right for Goofball and horribly wrong for Frankie.

I don't see how that deserves pity or remorse. It only deserves contempt.

2. You're right about Frankie's dilemma being funny when done proper. In that case, I'd like to add that the whole concept was once nailed down perfectly--and has now been tainted for me by this episode. Before, I could laugh and enjoy without worry episodes like "Store Wars" and "Bloooo"; but after this episode and it's "Frankie sucks" attitude, I worry that Frankie's future major roles will end up mistreating her as well. Even after "Setting A President", that fear is still firmly engraved inside of me.

To montitech,

If it were a dream, there would be the relief of knowing it never actually happened, and we would most likely get to see Frankie in her sexy nightgown from "Squeakerboxxx"... so I'd give it a C+. Still annoying, but no longer hurtful or cruel.

And BTW, I'm a Half-Life fan as well.

[Invader Bloo]

Oh yeah he ate all the food. I forgot that, that makes me hate him more! If it was Mac or Eduardo or Bloo (alone of course),etc... they would of got HORRIBLY punished. While Tardball got away without a scar. Sometime pain for characters I like (& ofcourse dislike) is funny like an "IOHSFY" or "BC" or" Blooooo" but this was horrid.

[Partymember]

Okay, i just saw "Fosters goes to Europe" and what Madame Foster did at the end (stole 7 tickets to Europe from poor Mac and dear Frankie) is MUCH worse than a "bad day at work" like Frankie experienced in "Imposters..." Honestly, it doesn't affect my view of Madame, because its just the sort of cartoon thing that happense, if that happened in real life Madame would have gotten socked in the jaw, but its a cartoon, man.

see Frankie in her sexy nightgown from "Squeakerboxxx"


GASP?!? What did i miss?????? (whines and runs to check TV Guide)

[fosters home fan]

Okay, i just saw "Fosters goes to Europe" and what Madame Foster did at the end (stole 7 tickets to Europe from poor Mac and dear Frankie) is MUCH worse than a "bad day at work" like Frankie experienced in "Imposters..." Honestly, it doesn't affect my view of Madame, because its just the sort of cartoon thing that happense, if that happened in real life Madame would have gotten socked in the jaw, but its a cartoon, man.




GASP?!? What did i miss?????? (whines and runs to check TV Guide)

Go to Sparky's screengrab site

Click "Sqeakerboxxxxxx"

You should find it there.


Hope that helps.:):D

[montitech]

I still like this episode.

ANd again, CN decided to air it TOnight, so we must assume someone in programming at CN must also like this episode..

monty :-/

[Voxxyn]

I like to think that someone is also responsible for the broadcasting of live-action programming on a network supposed to be 100% animation, for the airing of new shows that rely on tasteless humor over quality characters and stories, for the creation of insultingly bad specials like Re-Animated, for constantly airing bumper-length shorts featuring the Crazy Frog(who is almost as vile as Goofball), and basically everything else wrong with Cartoon Network today. :(

The undeserved love by CN's Frankie-hating executives doesn't make it any better. In fact, it makes things WORSE, because "Frankie My Dear" and "Setting A President" have been neglected(at least until recently).

[Invader Bloo]

I still like this episode.

ANd again, CN decided to air it TOnight, so we must assume someone in programming at CN must also like this episode..

monty :-/

That makes me sick. :-X
They don't even "Mac Daddy" that much & Cheese is like their icon. :terrence:

[fosters home fan]

I like to think that someone is also responsible for the broadcasting of live-action programming on a network supposed to be 100% animation, for the airing of new shows that rely on tasteless humor over quality characters and stories, for the creation of insultingly bad specials like Re-Animated, for constantly airing bumper-length shorts featuring the Crazy Frog(who is almost as vile as Goofball), and basically everything else wrong with Cartoon Network today. :(

You can blame the STUPID CN executives for that.:frankiemad: Disney also went stupid a while ago.

[Invader Bloo]

I used to LOVE Disney when it showed good ol' caroons like Donald Duck or Goofy,DuckTales, Quack Attack,etc.. but now that it turned teeny bopper & (as I call it) reatarded I absoulutely hate any new Disney that's not Pixar made. :frankiemad:

Re-animated is stupid & I have a bad feeling it's being made into a show.:o

[fosters home fan]

I used to LOVE Disney when it showed good ol' caroons like Donald Duck or Goofy,DuckTales, Quack Attack,etc.. but now that it turned teeny bopper & (as I call it) reatarded I absoulutely hate any new Disney that's not Pixar made. :frankiemad:

Re-animated is stupid & I have a bad feeling it's being made into a show.:o

Ducktales is on DVD now if you're interested.:)

I agree about disney going"tweeny boppy" I mean "hannah montana" WHAT ARE THEY SMOKING?!

Back on semi-topic

If Reanimated does turn into a tv series I'd go nuts, give up on cn forever and watch fosters another way!:wiltshock:

Back on full topic:

[Cassini90125]

I used to LOVE Disney when it showed good ol' caroons like Donald Duck or Goofy,DuckTales, Quack Attack,etc.. but now that it turned teeny bopper & (as I call it) reatarded I absoulutely hate any new Disney that's not Pixar made. :frankiemad:

Re-animated is stupid & I have a bad feeling it's being made into a show.:o


Which I will not watch. :P

As for Disney, I have to defend Kim Possible. It was a smart and well-written show, with likeable characters and the funniest cartoon villain I've ever met, and I'm very happy to know that new episodes are finally being made.

Okay, I'm done. Let's get back to loathing Goofball. ;D

[fosters home fan]

Which I will not watch. :P

As for Disney, I have to defend Kim Possible. It was a smart and well-written show, with likeable characters and the funniest cartoon villain I've ever met, and I'm very happy to know that new episodes are finally being made.

Okay, I'm done. Let's get back to loathing Goofball. ;D

I like Kim Possible,too. :)

Anyways, baack to Goofbarf. I'd love to see someone cut him up with a chainsaw!:blooevil:

Yeah I really loathe him.

[antgirl1]

The episode was fine until Goofball appeared. At least Frankie got to hit him on the head with an apple. :D

And I, personally, LIKED Re-Animated. And I'm PROUD of it.

[montitech]

I also thought re-animated was ok, (not as good as Roger Rabbit) but appropiate for CN network all the same.

Monty :-/

[Voxxyn]

Any suffering inflicted on Goofball should be of the emotional and psychological kind. The horror of Frankie being denied something she worked very hard to deserve and being treated like a worthless slave is more hurtful and damaging than the extreme physical exhaustion inflicted on her(which was an extra kick of cruelty).

It isn't "good fun" or a "simple botched joke". It's a nightmare. :(

[Bloo2daMacs]

Wow, since I've left this thread, it's gotten a poll added, and about 25 more pages! WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?!

I guess that the Goofball hate is so intense, it's created a large discussion. Interesting.

[billytheskink]

Wow, since I've left this thread, it's gotten a poll added, and about 25 more pages! WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?!

I guess that the Goofball hate is so intense, it's created a large discussion. Interesting.

I'm wondering how folks got started discussing Re-Animated...

Actually, I'm probably better off not knowing.

As much as I dislike Goofball, I still laugh when he says "That place, up there, with the bacon..."

[Voxxyn]

I guess that the Goofball hate is so intense, it's created a large discussion. Interesting.

'Intense' is a very mild word for what I truly feel about Goofball and his episode. I'm still hurt. :(

[Medikor]

I really have to say that Goffball, while nowhere near being my favorite character, isant as bad as I originaly thought. After seeing Bendy I feel that Goofball could have been a lot worse. I may have missed something but as far as I could tell, Goofball wasant out to intentionaly hurt Frankie or cause "too" much trouble. Bendy was acting purely out of malice while Goofball was mearly being his annoying self.
I'm not saying that I liked seeing Frankie have an awful time but I really feel that if Goofball was used in a differant story then he wouldant have come off as such a jerk. I really feel that he was just in the wrong episode at the wrong time (us Frankie fans are a scornful bunch.8D ). Maybe I'm just mellowing out as I get older but I even enjoy it when Duchess, a jerk in the truest sence of the word, is in the show.
From guageing what people have said about IHFUMUP I have come to think that the biggest issue was the half-hearted ending. Yes they could have put some more effort into makeing it all work out, but even Creg and Lauren make mistakes. I'm sure that they are aware of the negativity Goofball caused and I'm sure that they learned some things from it. And I'm sure that we will NEVER have to see Goofball again.

[duck2k]

And I'm sure that we will NEVER have to see Goofball again.

Yup - No more Goofball - hopefully!:frankiesmile:

[Partymember]

how do you think Hannibal Lecter makes Canadian Bacon?

[Cassini90125]

how do you think Hannibal Lecter makes Canadian Bacon?

This is the first time since switching to a mostly vegetarian diet that I don't want a ham sandwich... :P

[Partymember]

yeah, ham is fatty and gross. I want to try horsemeat, supposed to be subpar though :'(

[Cassini90125]

No, no, no! Ham is glorious! It's flavor, it's texture... man, we're really getting off-topic here.

One thing that has always puzzled me about Goofball is why his kid would create someone like him to begin with. What possible use could he serve? I like to think that when someone creates an IF he gets not just the one he wants, but also often gets the one he needs on some level, too. Nina and Eduardo are a great example of what I mean. But Goofball... I'm sorry, but I just can't see where something like him could serve any useful purpose whatsoever. Any ideas here? Anyone?

[kageri]

One thing that has always puzzled me about Goofball is why his kid would create someone like him to begin with. What possible use could he serve? I like to think that when someone creates an IF he gets not just the one he wants, but also often gets the one he needs on some level, too. Nina and Eduardo are a great example of what I mean. But Goofball... I'm sorry, but I just can't see where something like him could serve any useful purpose whatsoever. Any ideas here? Anyone?

Perhaps the kid was like Bloo. Or, like, you know, he didn't have any friends because he was always playing pranks on people and ruining their days so he made up an IF just like him. I actually have to wonder why there aren't more humanoid-looking IFs.

[fosters home fan]

I thought goofbarf was a mascot for a sports team?!

[montitech]

No, no, no! Ham is glorious! It's flavor, it's texture... man, we're really getting off-topic here.

One thing that has always puzzled me about Goofball is why his kid would create someone like him to begin with. What possible use could he serve? I like to think that when someone creates an IF he gets not just the one he wants, but also often gets the one he needs on some level, too. Nina and Eduardo are a great example of what I mean. But Goofball... I'm sorry, but I just can't see where something like him could serve any useful purpose whatsoever. Any ideas here? Anyone?

I say it is because he is Canadian. No offence to canadians, but they think different from us in the USA. a good example of this is all the many great canadian Comedians on sitcoms and movies throughout the years.

Monty :-/

[AerostarMonk]

Even though I can't watch this episode, I actually quite like the character of Goofball. I think he's quite a funny character. I don't think he's hurtful or malicious as much as an ignorant slacker. Outside of the context of this ep his dialogue is quite amusing. And even though I really hated how Frankie had to miss her concert, and I mean really hated, it was no where near as bad as how Mac was treated in during his birthday. Or as bad as the ending of Foster's Goes to Europe. But still enough for me to avoid the episode from here on out. Now if Goofball were to show up again, calm down everyone, I wouldn't object. He would be a fun background character to play off of.

[duck2k]

Even though I can't watch this episode, I actually quite like the character of Goofball. I think he's quite a funny character. I don't think he's hurtful or malicious as much as an ignorant slacker. Outside of the context of this ep his dialogue is quite amusing. And even though I really hated how Frankie had to miss her concert, and I mean really hated, it was no where near as bad as how Mac was treated in during his birthday. Or as bad as the ending of Foster's Goes to Europe. But still enough for me to avoid the episode from here on out. Now if Goofball were to show up again, calm down everyone, I wouldn't object. He would be a fun background character to play off of.

* The duckman is poised with a hammer by the "In Case of Goofball - Break Glass" box *:frankiesmile:

[fosters home fan]

I despise goofbarf with much great intensity:frankiemad:



(I just had to say that)

[Voxxyn]

If Goofball comes back as a minor background character, I will be very upset. Like I've said, the ONLY circumstance in which he should be allowed to be return is if he does something to Frankie that makes it up to her and her fans.

[Crash-N-Cortex]

I really didn't like Goofball very much. He is a bit annoying and very weird in my sort of way. I think Goofball is a bit "White and Nerdy" if you know what I mean.

[duck2k]

If Goofball comes back as a minor background character, I will be very upset. Like I've said, the ONLY circumstance in which he should be allowed to be return is if he does something to Frankie that makes it up to her and her fans.

I don't know whether to just grin and bear it if Goofball makes another appearance - or slit my wrist!8D

[Jabberwocky]

Y'know.

Buttons and Mindy anyone?

[Crash-N-Cortex]

Hopefully, Goofball would return in a cameo appearence, you know with no lines or something.

[Cassini90125]

Hopefully he will not return at all for any reason. I do not wish to see him ever again.

[montitech]

I liked watching goofball, He was such a sterotypical slacker teen, It would be great to see him again ( in a quick sort of way, maybe simmilar to how we saw wally at the end of The Big Picture.)

on rewatching this episode, I think goofball is not the real focus of the episode, but it really is Frankie, and the theme of the episode is "Did you ever Have one of those days were everything (and then some) went wrong"...or maybe, "Frankie is having a her worst day ever, that it got worst...."


Sorry Frankie Fans, hope I did not upset you guys(Gals) again.
monty :-/

["C" the Dragon]

You all know how much I hate him.:frankiemad: I gave that episode an "F".

[duck2k]

You all know how much I hate him.:frankiemad: I gave that episode an "F".

An "F" as in...er...never mind! I hate Goofball too!:frankiemad:

[megatron01]

I like this episode because of the good character design on Goofball John McGee, but I can't understand why you hated it? Was it the way he irritated Frankie? :terrconf:

[montitech]

I like this episode because of the good character design on Goofball John McGee, but I can't understand why you hated it? Was it the way he irritated Frankie? :terrconf:

I liked it to, but if you really want to know why others disliked the episode, read through the first few hundred posts of this thread and it spells it out. :frankiesmile:


Monty :-/

[Cassini90125]

I like this episode because of the good character design on Goofball John McGee, but I can't understand why you hated it? Was it the way he irritated Frankie? :terrconf:

Irritated? Irritated?!?! Is that all that you saw? Did you watch the same episode as the rest of us? I'll let the rest of you guys handle this one; I won't waste my time. :frankiemad:

[montitech]

Good news everyone,

Goofball is on Friday night at 1AM EST (and next week as well)


MOnty :-/

[Cassini90125]

Goofbutt is on again? This is a usage of the phrase "Good news" that I'm not familiar with. :P

[megatron01]

It sounds like you don't like me that well. You actually WANT me to hate Goofball! Listen, I like ALL of the Foster's episodes no matter how bad it is, and no matter how bad the characters are (example: Goofball) If my post about Goofball has made you mad, Cassini90125, I am truly sorry. You need to lighten up. I had my say in the matter.
:(

[Cassini90125]

What I am saying is that Frankie was not merely "irritated", as you said; she went through hell that day, and I find it hard to believe that anyone who saw what she went through could dismiss it so casually. As for your comment about me needing to "lighten up", I happen to care about Frankie quite a bit and therefore I do not consider it a matter to be lightened.

[fosters home fan]

goofbarf sucks lemon wads!:frankiemad:

[megatron01]

If I was Frankie, I'd be really irritated at Goofball, and I'd kick him out even he SAYS he's an imaginary friend.

[some guy you dont know]

ok.. your all crazy. everyone has to put up with idiots like goofball, so hes normal. thats why i like him. goofball, like i said, is the idiot that gets on your nerves, while making everyone else happy somehow. i deal with that alot, so i can say i would know what frankie put up with goofball in some way, and i am amused by that guy. and if you hate him, well, i feel sorry for you for the only reason i can think of- you cant see the genious in goofball

[fosters home fan]

Good news everyone,

Goofball is on Friday night at 1AM EST (and next week as well)


MOnty :-/

Oh cripes! Time to call the anger managment group!

[Voxxyn]

I'm starting to hate how people say that the episode and Goofball was simply "irritating". "Irritating" is supposed to be a mild annoyance, something that is small and doesn't last long enough to be of any significance. Frankie wasn't "irritated", she was completely ABUSED & MISTREATED.

Megatron, I'm not telling you that you should hate Goofball. But please don't tell us to "lighten up", because that only personally serves to make me even more mad. I am still very hurt by the episode, and how the Foster's crew actually found it funny.

And if seeing the "genius" of Goofball means having to accept that he got away with torturing a very sympathetic character, I don't want to see it at all. I refuse to betray the woman who has done so much for Foster's and us fans. :frankiemad:

[Crash-N-Cortex]

It seems as though everyone hates Goofball. Goofball is one of the few characters that can push Frankie's anger into a danger zone. I highly doubt that he'll be in another Foster episode.

[montitech]

It seems as though everyone hates Goofball. ....

? Did you look at the poll results?
It would appear that it is evenly split between people who liked and disliked Goofball. on top of that the majority of people are in the middle I am surprise there has only been 35 votes.

It is just that more Frankie fans are active in this thread.

Monty :-/

[duck2k]

What I am saying is that Frankie was not merely "irritated", as you said; she went through hell that day, and I find it hard to believe that anyone who saw what she went through could dismiss it so casually. As for your comment about me needing to "lighten up", I happen to care about Frankie quite a bit and therefore I do not consider it a matter to be lightened.


We love our Frankie,
we really do,

We don't love anyone,
as much as you,

When you're not with us,
We're bloo,

Oh Frankie - we cherish you!:-* :-* :-*

[megatron01]

Ok ok, I'll lighten up on the comments.

[montitech]

We love our Frankie,
we really do,

We don't love anyone,
as much as you,

When you're not with us,
We're bloo,

Oh Frankie - we cherish you!:-* :-* :-*

Wrong thread, The frankie thread is under Humans not GoofBall


MOnty :-/

[duck2k]

Wrong thread, The frankie thread is under Humans not GoofBall


MOnty :-/

So sue me!;)

[fosters home fan]

Wrong thread, The frankie thread is under Humans not GoofBall


MOnty :-/

Here's a goofturdbarfball poem made from 100% satire


"oh goofball oh goofball you smell like a u-haul

your "fans" think you're hugly but you're really quite ugly

you think you're a goof but I wish you would go "poof!"

oh goofball oh goofball you need a big fall!

goofball:aaaaaaaaaaaaaah!*splat*"


That's my "I hate goofball" poem!:cheese: I know,I'm insane!



btw nice poem duck2k...

[Jabberwocky]

I like how everyone ignored my post to spam up the thread with poetry. 8]

So anyway, I just saw this episode again, and I still can't see how what Frankie went through was hell. While it was not very funny or well written, you are all blowing it out of proportion tenfold. Like if I stubbed my toe, but then told everyone someone took my toes and crushed them to bone dust with a grand piano and stuck them in a blender and fed the scraps to a dingo.

LALALA

[kageri]

I like how everyone ignored my post to spam up the thread with poetry. 8]

So anyway, I just saw this episode again, and I still can't see how what Frankie went through was hell. While it was not very funny or well written, you are all blowing it out of proportion tenfold. Like if I stubbed my toe, but then told everyone someone took my toes and crushed them to bone dust with a grand piano and stuck them in a blender and fed the scraps to a dingo.

LALALA

That might not win you many fans in this thread since the vast majority of people who post here are avid Frankie fans, but if Frankie were real I think this particular incident in her life would be long forgotten by now. Don't flame me for that, either -- Frankie is a strong, optimistic girl and not only would she know that Goofball is long gone, she would also know that there will be many more concerts to come. I'm sure I'll get "okay but I still hate it" responses, and I know you do, really I do, but I think those who hate the episode should look forward to better ones in the future.

[Voxxyn]

I think those who hate the episode should look forward to better ones in the future.

I would be doing exactly that if CN.com would post the Season 5 summaries already. :frankiesmile:

[One Radical Dude]

That might not win you many fans in this thread since the vast majority of people who post here are avid Frankie fans, but if Frankie were real I think this particular incident in her life would be long forgotten by now. Don't flame me for that, either -- Frankie is a strong, optimistic girl and not only would she know that Goofball is long gone, she would also know that there will be many more concerts to come. I'm sure I'll get "okay but I still hate it" responses, and I know you do, really I do, but I think those who hate the episode should look forward to better ones in the future.

Yeah, I understand the "I have strong feelings for Frankie" deal. That's all fine and dandy. However, it's unhealthy to keep thinking about the unpleasant past, and one should move forward. That applies to everyone, really. Honestly, I think Frankie's experience with Goo in Neighbor Pains wasn't any better. I mean, she doesn't usually let most characters push her around, but she wasn't herself entirely in that one. :P

[Voxxyn]

I'll move on if Craig, Lauren and everybody else have moved on from their "cruel" episodes. I still worry that future Frankie episodes will be more like this than FMD or SAP.

And I don't understand why you'd bring up the Frankie/Goo scenes in "Neighbor Pains". Frankie acting slightly differently doesn't mean she was OOC. I thought it was really cute that she would be so scared and 'vulnerable' in front of somebody far younger than her. That was REAL 'good fun', unlike the traumatic nightmare of this episode.

[One Radical Dude]

You need to move on...period. Life goes on, either way you look at it. I get frustrated with some of the things that happen on TV shows, but I don't let it bother me for a long period. It's not the crew's fault. No one's perfect, and one can't please everybody. It's just not possible. :P

[Crash-N-Cortex]

If Goofball does make another appearence in Foster's, well let's say that I won't be watching Foster's for a while. I think Goofball is more of a clown than an imaginary friend, and we all know the saying, "We all hate clowns" or as Billy from "The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy" would say, "Clowns are nothing, but pure evil!" at least that how I know he says it. Goofball is what I call a netural character, he is neither good or evil. Goofball wouldn't be good at being evil anyway. As Mr. Crocker from "The Fairy Oddparents" would say, "This episode has taken F to a whole new level, I'm gonna give this episode A Super F!"

[One Radical Dude]

If Goofball does make another appearence in Foster's, well let's say that I won't be watching Foster's for a while. I think Goofball is more of a clown than an imaginary friend, and we all know the saying, "We all hate clowns" or as Billy from "The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy" would say, "Clowns are nothing, but pure evil!" at least that how I know he says it. Goofball is what I call a netural character, he is neither good or evil. Goofball wouldn't be good at being evil anyway.

If he does make another appearance, it'll likely be a very brief one. I believe, however, that it's more than likely that we'll never see him again.

[megatron01]

Sorry I asked...

[Voxxyn]

It's not a matter of simply "not being able to please everybody". The problem isn't that of substandard episodes or sliding technical quality. It's that the episode played out(whether or not it actually was, that's how it FELT) as if it were a deliberate meanspirited attack on Frankie. I cannot get over that just with you telling me to "move on".

[fosters home fan]

AAAAAAAAAH! IMPOSTERS IS ON! RUN FO YAH LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(or watch it) I swear I flipped 7 channels in 3.2 seconds:wiltshock:

[One Radical Dude]

8D fhf, you're not helping matters.

Voxxyn: It wasn't meant to be mean-spirited, I don't believe. I'm sorry to hear that you or others felt that it was.

[fosters home fan]

8D fhf, you're not helping matters..

I was just trying to warn some that "it" was on:P That was all,it was pretty funny(my message):cheesegrin:


EDIT :the show's done.Now to hope they show another episode today:)

[Invader Bloo]

HE sucks as a character,he was a jag off as I said even if it was someone like Bloo, Terrence or Duchess it wouldn't of been a good episode or character. I HATE him he's just so damn annoying plus hetirutrued Frankie. I just waqtched the episode again & ARGH! I need to write a sequel to "The Tirturing of...Eh Goofball" just to get my rage out.

[fosters home fan]

HE sucks as a character,he was a jag off as I said even if it was someone like Bloo, Terrence or Duchess it wouldn't of been a good episode or character. I HATE him he's just so damn annoying plus hetirutrued Frankie. I just waqtched the episode again & ARGH! I need to write a sequel to "The Tirturing of...Eh Goofball" just to get my rage out.

Exactly why I posted my "warning" abouut the episode:P


If you're gonna make a sequel,put GIR in it,he could torture goof(insert 4 letter word here)barf...
:bendy:

[Voxxyn]

A vile and traumatic mess. That's what the episode is.

I'm going to keep saying that until CN stops airing it so much, and Season 5 turns out to have some wonderful Frankie episodes. Until then, I will not just "accept it". :frankiemad:

[Cassini90125]

I just waqtched the episode again & ARGH! I need to write a sequel to "The Tirturing of...Eh Goofball" just to get my rage out.

Oooooo... Go for it, and make him get Frankie's name right at the end! :bendy:

[HappyFoppy]

Torturing, indeed.

Goofball: "Uh, ok... Franny?"
Frankie: "WRONG! *sends elecrtic shock to Goofball*"
Goofball: x_x *dead*
Voxxyn: *revives Goofball*
Goofball: "THANK Y-"
etc etc. See IP2. ;)

Well, the episode was mean. Goofball also was. But what if he made it better? Season 5 _might_ be better for Frankie than other seasons. It's a new year in the fifth season, remember... ;)
I seriously hope something happens with Goofball again. I don't think you can leave alone an episode with such an ending. :/

[Voxxyn]

You're talking about Goofball doing something incredibly good for Frankie, right? RIGHT? :(

I know Cassini doesn't want him back for any reason, and I fully sympathize with him on that. But I wouldn't mind seeing him again, only if it's to redeem himself to Frankie and her fans.

I know he can't actually redeem himself 100%--but given the choice of either Goofball getting slaughtered in a horrific way, or Goofball giving Frankie free tickets for a future concert, I'll take the latter.

[fosters home fan]

You're talking about Goofball doing something incredibly good for Frankie, right? RIGHT? :(

I know Cassini doesn't want him back for any reason, and I fully sympathize with him on that. But I wouldn't mind seeing him again, only if it's to redeem himself to Frankie and her fans.

I know he can't actually redeem himself 100%--but given the choice of either Goofball getting slaughtered in a horrific way, or Goofball giving Frankie free tickets for a future concert, I'll take the latter.

I'll take the former!:slybendy:

[Cassini90125]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f184/Cassini90125/PDVD_101b.jpg

"Frankie take care of Red. Frankie nice to Red. Goofball mean to Frankie. RED SMASH GOOFBALL!!!"

;D

[Invader Bloo]

GO RED!;D

[fosters home fan]

HAHAHA! That's a great picture;D "Red smash goofball"

[Voxxyn]

Frankie: You are the greatest, Red. **Gives Red a big affectionate kiss on the cheek** :-*

Red: Unlike certain elephant-nosed failures lying splat on ground, Red happy and thankful for Frankie and her hard work. **Hugs Frankie** ;D

(NOTE: THE KISS IS COMPLETELY NON-ROMANTIC, PLEASE DON'T THROTTLE ME :macwor: )

[Cassini90125]

(NOTE: THE KISS IS COMPLETELY NON-ROMANTIC, PLEASE DON'T THROTTLE ME :macwor: )

Don't worry about it. :)

Screencaps are fun. Since discovering that Paint can do transparencies, they've become even more fun. More to come. :D

[HappyFoppy]

Since discovering that Paint can do transparencies,

:O It can? Lol. Nice pic. I thought it was real first. :)

Voxxyn: Yeah, I mean something really good - or Goofball coming back and Frankie actually being mean to Goofthingball for what he did.

[duck2k]

Don't worry about it. :)

Screencaps are fun. Since discovering that Paint can do transparencies, they've become even more fun. More to come. :D

Definitely sweet Cass, and I do look forward to more!:bendy:

["C" the Dragon]

If Goofball is the most hated charater, then why does he get the most posts in the Supporting cast section? This makes no sense!:wiltshock:

[Cassini90125]

Because we feel a need to publicly denounce him, to express our hatred for him, and find comfort among others hurt by his callous disregard for Frankie and what he put her through.

[Crash-N-Cortex]

Goofball is one of the characters I really despise. The episode of "Imposter's" had the worst reviews, according to TV.com. The episode is similar to "Everybody Knows It's Bendy". I really didn't like how Frankie was treated in this episode. Frankie didn't smile a whole lot in this episode. Hopefully, if there's another Frankie episode, Frankie would be treated a lot better and she will a least be respected.

[fosters home fan]

here's his new name Loofbarf Dohn Myspleen 8D

[Voxxyn]

Because we feel a need to publicly denounce him, to express our hatred for him, and find comfort among others hurt by his callous disregard for Frankie and what he put her through.

Especially that last part. :(

[HappyFoppy]

Because we feel a need to publicly denounce him, to express our hatred for him, and find comfort among others hurt by his callous disregard for Frankie and what he put her through.

Nicely said! :)

[JPPT1974]

I wished that she would had beaten him up
More than that after what happened. Poor Frankie!:frankiesmile:

[fosters home fan]

Am I the only one who thinks gooftard is ugly? I mean his hair's a mess,his nose gets"ugliest nose" award and he's just plain ugly!

[duck2k]

We hate you Goofball,
we really do,

We don't hate anyone,
as much as you,

When you're not with us,
we're pink,

Oh Goofball - you sure STINK!8D :frankiesmile:

[Voxxyn]

Nice reprise. 8D :D :-*

[duck2k]

Nice reprise. 8D :D :-*


Thanks boss! I am just reiterating how much we hate this IF.:bloogrin

[kageri]

Am I the only one who thinks gooftard is ugly? I mean his hair's a mess,his nose gets"ugliest nose" award and he's just plain ugly!

Ugly's kind of a stretch. He's just.... a vaguely teenagerish-looking IF.

[montitech]

Yehhhhh,

Goofballs on Again...

rIGHT now,


:bloosmirk: :bloosmirk: :bloosmirk:


MONTY :-/

[Voxxyn]

CN's infatuation with this traumatic nightmare is officially even worse than the 940783507 other stupid things they've done in the last few years. :'( :'( :'(

[fosters home fan]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! I JUST WASTED 1 SECOND OF MY LIFE!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
for the love ofAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:frankiemad:

[duck2k]

Yehhhhh,

Goofballs on Again...

rIGHT now,


:bloosmirk: :bloosmirk: :bloosmirk:


MONTY :-/

AAAAUUUUGGGGHHHH! I want my Mommy!:frankiemad:

[montitech]

After watching the Goofball episode last night I have to say I completely disagree with the Frankie Fans gripe.

While reading through their complains against Goofball over the past few months I was starting to sympathize with them. But after viewing the episode again I cannot see anything horrible happening here.

I thought most of the friends were treating Frankie poorly in this episode. From Bloo’s typical annoying behavior, to Mr H expectations of Frankies servitude. But this behavior has never been unusual. This episode just put a spotlight on the grime that Frankie has to deal with daily. The toils that Frankie went through in this episode really were not worst than her toils in the episode “Busted” The primary difference was in Busted it focused on the gang trying to repair the Vase and the disaster they left behind was not in the spotlight. While here the episode focused was on Frankie and the grime that she has to deal with on a daily basis. If it isn’t Mr H bossing her around (instead of doing something himself) it was the annoying lady at the grocery store.

I would have to agree that it was a Murphy’s Law Day for Frankie. She even picked the Cart with the Bad wheel. But I did not see anything horrid here, bust funny. I suggest not hating Goofball, but look at the episode as a Bad day and see if you can find any humor some of the situations Frankie found herself in. in Fact Ignore GoofBall completely and look at the rest of the episode, because really Goofball was only about Half of the episode, but there was a lot more there then just goofball.

I guess this is one of those episodes that goes the wrong way with some people becasue they cannot relate to the Humor. but I myself find the episode to be a lot of fun, and I enjoyed seeing the Slacker Goofball and his unsucessful trials to get home.

Once again I hope I do not offend anyone,
Monty :-/

[Voxxyn]

:( :frankiemad:

I refuse to see the "humor" and "entertainment" of what the episode did to Frankie. The notion of even attempting to enjoy this malicious disgrace is endlessly offensive and revolting to me. The entire house being ignorant to the suffering of the very person who takes care of them only makes things even WORSE and more hurtful.

This episode is very different from "Busted" and all the other ones that involve Frankie enduring some kind of hardship. The gang's attempts to repair the bust weren't cruel in the slightest; it was an ordinary work day for Frankie; she gets some payback at the end, and since it was one of the series' earliest episodes, it was necessary to show viewers the nature of Frankie's job(as well as her antagonistic relationship with Herriman). Goofball was a reckless and malicious jerk; on what was supposed to be Frankie's night off as reward for all her hard work; who gets absolutely no payback for her suffering; and was one of the two Season 3 episodes(the other being FGTE) that came dangerously close to ruining the show thanks to their unwarranted cruelty towards sympathetic characters.

IHFUMEUP didn't really "establish" the nature of Frankie's job, because it was already long established. All it was was a vicious kick in the face to Frankie and her fans. :(

[Jabberwocky]

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this thread anymore.

[kageri]

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at this thread anymore.

Me neither. Look, guys... Frankie had a hard time in this episode. We know. We know she did. Really. But the fact is that this episode had nothing to do with her fans. They weren't thinking about her fans. It wasn't a "kick in the face". It's over. There won't be another. Goofball isn't coming back. You don't have to watch it. I know some of you probably find that suggestion horrifyingly repulsive and saddening and so on, but it's true. Please. If you dislike the episode so much, don't give it attention (three hundred-something posts about it) that it doesn't deserve.

And I watched it yesterday and found Goofball's semi-compliment to Frankie and her smile at him to be at least a half-happy ending. I'm sure everyone disagrees, but I'm basing this opinion on what Frankie felt at the end, which probably was relief that it's over and will be for the rest of eternity.

[One Radical Dude]

Me neither. Look, guys... Frankie had a hard time in this episode. We know. We know she did. Really. But the fact is that this episode had nothing to do with her fans. They weren't thinking about her fans. It wasn't a "kick in the face". It's over. There won't be another. Goofball isn't coming back. You don't have to watch it. I know some of you probably find that suggestion horrifyingly repulsive and saddening and so on, but it's true. Please. If you dislike the episode so much, don't give it attention (three hundred-something posts about it) that it doesn't deserve.

And I watched it yesterday and found Goofball's semi-compliment to Frankie and her smile at him to be at least a half-happy ending. I'm sure everyone disagrees, but I'm basing this opinion on what Frankie felt at the end, which probably was relief that it's over and will be for the rest of eternity.

Well said. :)

[koosie]

Yes let's put an end to this hateful dwelling in the past. Forgiving Goofball isn't about letting him off for being jerk but letting yourself free of all that unpleasantness.

As for the creators of this show, I hope no-one influences them in the content of the show. I trust them not to bring any characters I love to serious harm, my job is to sit and watch it. Or sometimes lay down or stand up. Maybe I'll be leaning on something. That's not really important...er...that's it.

[Cassini90125]

I invite all of you to rewatch the part where Frankie is scrubbing the floors while everybody else is at the concert. It hurt, and it hurt bad. I find nothing humorous about the episode in general and that scene in particular. And to those who claim it wasn't that bad, well, to some of us it most certainly was that bad, otherwise this thread wouldn't be almost 400 posts long.

[JPPT1974]

Do you think that Goofball is just naive
And didn't know any better?
Or just Bloo was trying to get Goofball
To just give Frankie a hard time?
You know come to think of it, it could had been
Bloo telling Goofball just to do those things in order
To humilate Frankie!

[duck2k]

Being a Frankie fan, I hated to see her get hurt like that (whether through ignorance, or malice), but there is nothing more I can really say for this thread, that has already been said.:wiltshock:

[koosie]

Good then let's let it go. We're all agreed Frankie had a doubleplusbad time. You ever seen Pagliacci? There's a character who has a bad time too. No-one should be held responsible for the way YOU feel about something and you make it worse by dredging it up.In waters that are turbulent and muddy there is no clarity!

Or to put it another way. How do you think Frankie would want you to feel about it?

[fosters home fan]

As for the creators of this show, I hope no-one influences them in the content of the show. I trust them not to bring any characters I love to serious harm, my job is to sit and watch it.


Well I'd say the show almost (if not did) JUMP THE SHARK with this episode:frankiemad:

[kageri]

Well I'd say the show almost (if not did) JUMP THE SHARK with this episode:frankiemad:

It was one bad episode, and we've had plenty of fantastic ones since then, so I don't know where you got that from...

[koosie]

Well I'd say the show almost (if not did) JUMP THE SHARK with this episode:frankiemad:

(spits in bucket making nice pinging noise)

You'd better watch yourself with that kind of talk...

Last folks that mentioned that shark round here didn't get too far

No sirreee.

[BlooCheese]

Hey hey hey, must we always dwell on the show's faults? Can't we just let go and forget the past? Instead of singing about how much we hate Goofball, can't we focus that energy into singing songs of praise for Frankie?

Imposter's was definitely not a top-notch episode, and it really did hurt to see Frankie suffer from Goofball's actions, but I don't think Frankie let that one horrible day make the rest of her life miserable. She isn't gnashing her teeth in agony, sulking in depression, or throwing darts at a poster featuring Goofball. I honestly believe she forgave him.

That little lady from Incredibles--Edna Mode, I think her name was--said something along the lines of, "Never look back. It distracts from the now."

[fosters home fan]

Hey hey hey, must we always dwell on the show's faults? Can't we just let go and forget the past? Instead of singing about how much we hate Goofball, can't we focus that energy into singing songs of praise for Frankie?

Sure I'LL forget of Impussturds when they make a new episode with frankie in it (but not being"background character who cleans everything and drives bus")

By the way I'm VERY sorry about my "shark" comment,I'll never bring it up again NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!!!!

[Crash-N-Cortex]

The only thing I like about Goofball is the person who voiced him, Tom Kenny.

[fosters home fan]

The only thing I like about Goofball is the person who voiced him, Tom Kenny.

We all like Tom Kenney he does Eduardo!:-/

[One Radical Dude]

Even the best shows have some bad apples, and many considered Imposter's one of them. The show is not even close to "jumping the shark" (ooh, I hate that term). Anyway, yeah, it's fine to be critical of Goofball or not have any feelings for the guy and to be sympathetic towards Miss Frances., I don't think she'll lose sleep over it. :P It's not worth dwelling over it for so long. It ain't healthy.

Tom Kenny gets an A+, even though he was stuck doing a character for one episode that doesn't get a lot of respect.

[kageri]

The only thing I like about Goofball is the person who voiced him, Tom Kenny.

By golly, you're right! I didn't even know Tom Kenny did his voice! I've said before that I liked his voice and I stick by that opinion. Also his tie.

[Voxxyn]

Sure I'LL forget of Impussturds when they make a new episode with frankie in it (but not being"background character who cleans everything and drives bus")

I'm with this 110%. "Setting A President" is not enough. Frankie deserves something truly glorious and wonderful, something on the same scale that GWH was for Wilt. Until that happens, I won't be able to rest easily or accept the existence of this hurtful disgrace.

[fosters home fan]

I'm with this 110%. "Setting A President" is not enough. Frankie deserves something truly glorious and wonderful, something on the same scale that GWH was for Wilt. Until that happens, I won't be able to rest easily or accept the existence of this hurtful disgrace.

I'm happy you agree with me Voxxyn. Frankie DOES deserve to have another great episode(but since this is the goofbarf/turd/tard/whatever thread I'll discuss this more in the"Frankie" thread.


btw the place where I heard the show was going downhill was TV.com:P

[Voxxyn]

The show did recover admirably from this and "Europe". And hopefully, there will never ever be another "Imposter's".

[kageri]

The show did recover admirably from this and "Europe". And hopefully, there will never ever be another "Imposter's".

That's the spirit! I'm sure I don't have to remind everyone not to hold a grudge against anyone who worked on this episode, because if they hadn't made Frankie such a sympathetic character y'all wouldn't be so resentful of this episode in the first place. Right? Am I right? I think it just shows how awesome all these characters are.

[fosters home fan]

Say I had created a silly poem about gooftard a while back, so here's part 2!


oh goofball oh goofball your brain is really small

in fact it is smaller than even a golf ball

oh goofball oh goofball oh goofball oh goofball

I wish that a pitbull would give you a big maul!


3rd part coming soon!:frankiesmile:

[Invader Bloo]

Well I'd say the show almost (if not did) JUMP THE SHARK with this episode:frankiemad:

No it didn't 1 horrid episode followed by the rest of the 2 seasons being good, dosen't qualify as jumping the shark.

Sorry, but that's just taking Frankie fan waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to extremely not even Vox or Cass think that.

[Voxxyn]

When I said that the episode "nearly ruined the show", I don't mean technical quality(because it was a success in what it actually did :( ), but how the show's magic gets tainted sometimes by the crew's baffling need to be meanspirited. I still think Lauren got it completely wrong--'conflict' does NOT equal unwarranted cruelty towards sympathetic characters.

The only way I'll truly let go my resentment towards this episode is if Frankie gets her own GWH-like masterpiece. After being forced to endure the horror of IHFUMEUP, she and her fans deserve it.

[Cassini90125]

The only way I'll truly let go my resentment towards this episode is if Frankie gets her own GWH-like masterpiece. After being forced to endure the horror of IHFUMEUP, she and her fans deserve it.

She deserves it whether or not IHFUMEUP had ever been made. :frankiesmile:

[koosie]

She deserves it whether or not IHFUMEUP had ever been made. :frankiesmile:

Amen to that:-*

[fosters home fan]

When I said that the episode "nearly ruined the show", I don't mean technical quality(because it was a success in what it actually did :( ), but how the show's magic gets tainted sometimes by the crew's baffling need to be meanspirited. I still think Lauren got it completely wrong--'conflict' does NOT equal unwarranted cruelty towards sympathetic characters.

The only way I'll truly let go my resentment towards this episode is if Frankie gets her own GWH-like masterpiece. After being forced to endure the horror of IHFUMEUP, she and her fans deserve it.

Now I understand what you mean.I'm terribly sorry about my earlier comment,REALLY! I agree Frankie should have another great episode,but I have a nasty feeling that it's not gonna happen:(

[Crash-N-Cortex]

Now I understand what you mean.I'm terribly sorry about my earlier comment,REALLY! I agree Frankie should have another great episode,but I have a nasty feeling that it's not gonna happen:(

I agree to that. Frankie should really great another great episode, yet I hope it's not gonna be like "IHFMEUP".

[Crash-N-Cortex]

I edited my last post, so anyone who has quoted my quote, can unquote it now.

[fosters home fan]

ok;) Now I get it.

[HappyFoppy]

Just wanted to mention something.

DOWN WITH GOOFBALL. WE NEED A FRANKIE EPISODE.

Lol. Look at this. Wilt got a whole pro-Wilt movie, so why can't Frankie get an episode? :)
By the way, we need a Goofball smiley. (a frowing one with a blue eye.)

[Voxxyn]

I think we all agree that Frankie deserves something special(she always has, don't get me wrong, but I think the writers owe it to her after this malicious disgrace). I'm willing to wait extra months for Season 5(since I doubt it'll premiere in February after all) if it means it'll give us lots and lots of positive Frankie moments.

A "punching Goofball" smilie would be good, kinda like this one(from the IGN/Jedi Council forums): http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/56.gif

[Crash-N-Cortex]

I dying for a Frankie episode the next season of Foster's. The only Frankie episode I like is "Frankie My Dear".

[Voxxyn]

You don't like "Setting A President"? :(

[Crash-N-Cortex]

You don't like "Setting A President"? :(

"Setting A President" is okay.

[montitech]

This thread keeps straying to be Frankie Centric instead of about Goofball,

Asking for Frankie episodes I would think is more appropiate for the Frankie thread. am I wrong in thining that?


well Anyway, too bad Goofball is Canadian, I was hoping he would run for President.

UP WITH GOOFBALL,


on a side note: I hope none of you Frankie Fans are missing "Frankie My Dear" is is airing now. I like the part were she gets rid of Dylan.

Monty :-/

[Invader Bloo]

Goofball for president? I'd rather see Vader:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwRU2hBlKTA
:P

[taranchula]

well Anyway, too bad Goofball is Canadian, I was hoping he would run for President.

UP WITH GOOFBALL,




He can run for Prime Minister.

I think he's got as good a chance as anyone, considering he is about as mentally mature as most of the politicians in power in my country.

Personally I wouldn't vote for him, unless he promises another lowering of the Goods and Services Tax, that would be nice....:bloocross:

[Cassini90125]

Asking for Frankie episodes I would think is more appropiate for the Frankie thread. am I wrong in thining that?

I'd have to agree with that, but it's not a really big deal.

well Anyway, too bad Goofball is Canadian, I was hoping he would run for President.

UP WITH GOOFBALL,

There is a political party for Goofball supporters. It's called the "Witness Protection Program". :bendy:

[Voxxyn]

I'll talk all I want about Frankie on this thread. All Goofball and the episode did was hurt her and mistreat her repeatedly. :( :'(

[some guy you dont know]

This thread keeps straying to be Frankie Centric instead of about Goofball,

Asking for Frankie episodes I would think is more appropiate for the Frankie thread. am I wrong in thining that?

indeed. makes no sense.

well Anyway, too bad Goofball is Canadian, I was hoping he would run for President.

UP WITH GOOFBALL


eh, id have to vote against him, see avatar. but he would get my vote as prime minister. but then again i dont live in canada, so i cant really vote for him.. eh, you get the point. and why exactly is everyone against goofball anyway? sure, he may have done some annoying, mean, cruel, whatever you want to call it, things to frankie. but seriously, it was ONE EPISODE. and besides, everybody needs somebody to annoy them to death. thats how life works.

[Voxxyn]

It wasn't just "one episode", it was a nightmare and a disgrace. It wasn't merely annoying, it was cruel and meanspirited. It left me with a very negative impression that continues inside me to this day. I will NOT be quiet about seeing Frankie be so horribly mistreated and abused.

[Cassini90125]

and why exactly is everyone against goofball anyway? sure, he may have done some annoying, mean, cruel, whatever you want to call it, things to frankie. but seriously, it was ONE EPISODE.

The fact that it was just "one episode" makes no difference. Frankie is someone I care deeply about, and I do not like seeing the people who mean something to me suffer. I will not cavalierly dismiss what happened to her. Goofball hurt her, and that hurt me. Do you like seeing the people you care about in pain? Think about that.

and besides, everybody needs somebody to annoy them to death. thats how life works.

Wrong. Being annoyed is something we can all do quite nicely without, thank you. It isn't fun, it distracts one from getting things done, and it makes life less pleasant. And deliberately going out of one's way to be annoying is not an endearing trait, nor is it cute in any way. It's childish, mean-spirited, and rude.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Wrong. Being annoyed is something we can all do quite nicely without, thank you. It isn't fun, it distracts one from getting things done, and it makes life less pleasant. And deliberately going out of one's way to be annoying is not an endearing trait, nor is it cute in any way. It's childish, mean-spirited, and rude.

I agree with you 90% of the way Cass, I do believe that Goofball's actions be it a one shot or a thousand times, it's still a tragedy what Goofball put Frankie through and the fact his episode actually DEFINES suffering in such a way shows he truly was an ass that deserves every bit of slander towards him.

However, the other 10% of me does agree on one thing some guy said: I do believe we need people that annoy us (thought not the death part). I think characters do need episodes where they are put through crazy crap that annoys them to high hell, like I said before with the whole "Rita and Runt" torture episode.

I think it is a necessity but more as a TV show thing and not as real life thing. But, just so were clear, just because I believe in such a statement that does not mean I condone or accept the horrible methods Goofball enacted on Frankie. Annoyance is one thing, but his went beyond the call of duty.

I honestly believe that had this been done differently in regards to the particular torture Goofball put Frankie through, the episode would not be as unwatchable as it is now and it would have been in some small way, more acceptable then inexcusable. But as we all know that isn't the case.

Goofball put Frankie through a meat grinder rather then a mere "hard day" and whether his character was a great gimmick, Frankie didn't need to be repeatively run over by this character idea to the point of total agony.

[Cassini90125]

The latter part of my statement was in fact referring more to real-life pests than what's on TV. Irritating characters can make for better storylines (up to a point, anyway), but they add nothing to real-world happiness.

[Voxxyn]

Frankie already has Bloo, Mr. Herriman, Duchess and Cheese to annoy her. She puts up with more than all of the other characters, arguably combined. Goofball was not only unnecessary, but completely uncalled for. :(

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Well Bloo, Cheese, and occasionally Duchess are everyone's problems. Cheese is too stupid to honestly know what the hell he's doing, saying, or directing it to. Bloo is Bloo and he basically does this to everyone inside and outside of Foster's.

Herriman and Goofball are both more Frankie directed and I agree that Goofball's level of mean spirited careless actions couldn't have been meaner if he honestly tried. He did everything short of yanking out her heart and using it as a door stop.

[Cassini90125]

I always found it particularly insulting that he couldn't even take the time to get her name right. How self-involved and uncaring is that? And people wonder why we hate him?

[Voxxyn]

My point is that Frankie has had to put up with all of them, sometimes all at once(Cheese was an isolated but notable instance). Bloo's recklessness and Mr. Herriman's fixation with rules affect others, but Frankie almost always gets the brunt of it, because it's her job to clean up and look after Bloo and obey Mr. H's demands.

Goofball's behavior caused Frankie to suffer and no one else. No one else. She didn't have anyone to share her agony with, which makes it even more heartbreaking. Just horrible and uncalled for.

[Cassini90125]

At least we feel for her. Some of us, anyway. That's the part that hurt most; seeing her suffer like that and not being able to do anything about it, feeling helpless to intervene. :'(

[Voxxyn]

I almost cried when I watched the episode. At least I feel better knowing I'm the only one upset by it. :'(

[fosters home fan]

Antother thing that disturbs me is how every other imaginary"friend" thought goofplop wasn't a human when he seriously looked like one!!!!!Plus goofblob's nose was pointed at the end until it was "revealed" it was a (rather crummy looking)trunk! This episode disturbs me,too:frankiemad:

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Antother thing that disturbs me is how every other imaginary"friend" thought goofplop wasn't a human when he seriously looked like one!!!!!

The reason for that was obvious, it was to further exploit the use of the episode's "so called gag". The same thing was used when Bloo barbarically tortured poor Mac to the brink of insanity with everyone at Foster's helping Bloo in "Surprise".

They believed Goofball was an IF because it helps the episode build it's point of singling out Frankie. They do it all the time in TV. Like in shows like Teen Titans where, if the episode focuses on say Cy