Episode discussion: "Emaciation Complication" 11/10/06

[bloonuggets]

Well, "Emaciation Complication" airs Friday (11/10) at 7 PM ET/PT. Shall we talk about it?

[CG]

A liiiitle bit early, aren't we?

[One Radical Dude]

Okay, if you're going to start this threads, you need to add something significant to the topic. Because this episode hasn't even aired in the US, I will be locking it for now. In the future, any of these topics that get started with no significance will be BALEETED...err, I mean, deleted! You need to add something to the discussion. Remember that.

Good day!

[bloonuggets]

Abraham Lincoln as a pen? Hoo boy!

[vinny]

i gess i was the first to watch the whole thing. i really didnt care for it at all, the whole spin on the show kinda made me mad.

[antgirl1]

HAHAHAHAHA! Bloo saved the day?? XDDD

I knew at some point Wilt would become the flagpole. XDDD

The song was cute, and it was nice to hear Wilt singing again. =3

[montitech]

I thought it was great,

I liked the begining when Mac took Bloo to school.
Bloo acted just like Daffy Duck when he popped out of the Backpack.

MOnty:-/

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Since I'm probably gonna be the first to put in a long review, let me start off by saying while this wasn't the Frankie/Mac spotlight episode that people have expected it to be, I gotta say I was really impressed at the cleverness of this episode.

Little Lincoln and Moose have been the first villains we've had in a long while. He had a great gimmick, a great plan, and a great cover giving the IFs homes but also taking advantage of them. This also gave Madame Foster a chance to show a bit more into her personality.

The idea that she wondered if what she was doing was worth wild was a very DEEP DEEP character plot device that I was surprised to see (as I was with the risque but clever use of the naked lady on the pen gag with Lincoln in the hot cup of tea 8D).

Having Bloo be insanely addicted to the video game, while at the same time almost inadvertantly saving the day was classic Bloo. I was also glad to see Mac being nice and trying to help out imaginary friends, as well as how Frankie sweetly tried to console him after he realized he'd done wrong.

I guess in honest I have to say I liked the whole idea behind this more so then the comedy of it. There was some really good writing here, and I felt it came out well despite the fact Eduardo and the others seemed to take a back seat to Little Lincoln's debut.

Two things I especially loved: Madame Foster stuffing the 2 in the closet in the beginning, and how Little Lincoln was defeated ;D that pen chewing bit was sure brilliance. All in all, I was happy with this episode and I found it to be one of the smartest episodes they've had in a while.

[Nathander]

For the most part, I agree with Mr. Marshmallow: while it didn't end up being the Frankie and Mac centric episode I was hoping it would be, I still found it to be a genuinely brilliant episode, if just for the fact that the showed how Madam Foster herself even occasionally doubted if what she was doing was worthwhile. On top of that, it was kind of harsh seeing how easily Li'l Lincoln was able to objectify the IFs as tools and workers instead of their intended purpose, that being friends and companions. I personally found it to be a smarting blow to the way people who are in power/a higher position will tend to objectify those below them and profit from them, as (unfortunately) commonly happens in capitalism.

I thought that Li'l Lincoln and Moose were, like Marshmallow said, a great pair of villains. While it's a cliche setup (the brainy ringleader with the dumb, huge muscle to enforce what he wants), I thought it was a genuinely entertaining use of it, especially Moose's repeated response of "Yes, Mr. President!" to Lincoln. What really surprised me, though, was that there was one moment where Moose even actually seemed clever, having somehow picked up on the whole battery ordeal with Bloo. I guess I just didn't expect someone like him to really pull something off like that (though he basically made the whole scheme pointless when he gave Lincoln back to Madam Foster when she asked for a pen).

In the episode, there was only one thing I DIDN'T agree with: the use of Herriman. I would have liked some explanation as to how Lincoln was able to get him to comply with being his maid. While I guess Li'l Lincoln could have threatened to get rid of him as well somehow, you'd have thought that Herriman would've told Madam Foster what was going on immediately, unless Foster was the one to allow them to treat Herriman like that (which I doubt). Still, I think Herriman had one of my favorite lines in this episode: (paraphrased to the best of my memory) "He even addressed me as his 'First Lady'".

[Cassini90125]

It was a funny episode; I especially liked Bloo's antics in the classroom and his fixation on the video game. It was good to see more of Madam Foster than usual as well. But overall it was a letdown; I had been expecting and hoping for a much larger role for Frankie, one where she might get a chance to be the hero and save the day. Unfortunately, that was not the case. :(

Also, and this is unrelated to the episode itself, but those huge splash ads at the bottom of the screen make every episode much less enjoyable and CN needs to stop this revolting practice immediately. :terrence:

[Voxxyn]

I thought this was a pretty good episode. Lil' Lincoln made a great villain. Frankie confronting Lincoln upon learning his true motives was great, as well as seeing Mr. Herriman in a prominent role once again. The continuity between who got locked in the closet by the end of the first two acts was a great touch. Bloo's addiction to the game was pretty hilarious. This was a solid episode overall, regardless of the fact that I am severely and utterly disappointed that we didn't get the Mac/Frankie team-up that CN.com promised.

I'm not going to blame any of the crew for that. They clearly worked hard on this episode, and the results were once again good stuff. I'll have to see it again to get a more definitive overall impression, both because of how heavily plotted it was, and because I'll be able to look at it without the expectations that cluttered my mind upon first viewing.

But for lying outrightly, I have just lost EVEN MORE RESPECT for Cartoon Network. And I don't think I'm going to forgive them any time soon.

[Nathander]

While the splash ads bugged me, they don't irritate me as badly as the fact that they cut out the majority of the scene during the end credits to merely show something completely pointless for the fact of announcing that there were going to be new episodes during November, something we had known already.

[pitbulllady]

I'm still trying to make up my mind on this one, really. I can't decide whether or not I liked the musical number, but then it WAS a satire, so in that respect, it worked. The whole notion of "Little Lincoln" being an animated ball-point PEN was interesting, to say the least, along with the concept of the teacher confiscating kids' Imaginary Friends along with electronic games, toys, bubble gum and other classroom contraband(which at my schools would have included .45's, switchblades, nickle bags, and an assortment of gang stuff). I guess I will just have to take this entire episode as a satire on those many old stop-motion animated specials, in which there's always some villain out to take advantage of an innocent, sweet old lady to swindle her out of everything she has.

On the positive, we have yet MORE "Hitchhiker's Guide" references(the character that Bloo was trying to save the universe from in the game was a Beeblebrox-I KNEW those two would not get along), we have Wilt singing again, albeit briefly, and a sorta cameo by Lightning McQueen. It's difficult for me to dislike and episode that pays homage to both Douglas Adams AND Pixar. We also get to see just how sharp and clever Madame Foster really is, and how difficult it would be for someone to actually take advantage of her. While it seemed odd that she would beat the schnot out of two Imaginary Friends, mistaking them for "intruders", I guess she KNEW, even then, that those two were up to no good, but decided to play along with Mac and give them the benefit of a doubt. Oh, and Wilt DID look mighty handsome and patriotic standing there on the school grounds holding up our flag, though his poor arm had to have gotten tired awfully fast!

On the downside, it was a disappointment to see Frankie and Mr. Herriman so helpless and at the mercy of Moose and Little Lincoln, though I guess with Moose's bully muscle(and all the big, strong IF's who could have actually stood up to him, like the New Guy, out of the way)there really wasn't much they could do, but it just seemed out-of-character for either of those two to give in without much of a fight. There really weren't any big laughs for me at all, just more of a "oh, look-it's so-and-so!" moment here and there, especially with the racecar IF. Bloo's obsessing with the game was probably the funniest part, along with his desparation when the batteries finally died, and I didn't miss the old Warner Bros. Loony Tunes tribute with Bloo's Daffy Duck rampage around the classroom, either.

pitbulllady

[Mr. Marshmallow]

I wouldn't take the Frankie not being the star thing to heart Cassini, and this goes to everyone else as well. You never know what your going to get in a hox of cracker jacks, and you never know what's going to happen in a TV episode until you see it.

People use TV.com to find out everything weeks in advance, but a little description on a webpage doesn't necessarily spell out the same way when you actually see the episode. I didn't build this episode up as a Frankie/Mac starring episode. I just waited and watched and commented as it followed.

Like I said before, the villains in here were very well designed. True the smart guy, dumb goon bit has been done to death but what more can you expect in a kids show? I also agree with Nathander saying Moose showed some pretty darm big brain cells bribing Bloo with batteries (try saying that 3 times fast :cheesegrin:).

What I liked most about this aspect is when Frankie tried to stop Moose and he stopped her, and then put her and eventually Mac in the closet (Herriman willingly agreeing to go along with the closet was hilarious). The reason I liked that part is because this really showed how SERIOUS this problem was.

Previous villains like Bloo's agent, Dylan, Duchess, Berry, and Terrance were minor cliche bullies or pains in the asses. Little Lincoln proved to be A REAL THREAT! I mean he actually took control of the house, kicked everyone out, used them for profits, and almost had Madame Foster wrapped around his finger.

That's a pretty ballsy move for a small pen, and something a great villain could only pull off. As for Herriman agreeing with the plan, my best guess is that this is a similar situation like in Simpsons when Marge tried to bulldoze the burlesk house (dunno if that's spelled right) and a song stopped her.

Maybe the tune was so good it changed everyone's minds, like in Simpsons:

"But what about the beer, the drinking, the prostitution?"

"Well Marge it was a very convincing song"

[Cassini90125]

Thanks, Mr. M.,but I'm still feeling a little let down, and I never read the TV.com page; all I ever read was the brief synopsis on the CN website.

There were two other aspects of the episode with some possibly interesting sociological implications, namely the overcrowding at Foster's and the selling of IF's, but I'll leave that to those who've already put some thought into similar matters (that's your que, PBL ;) ).

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Glad my words are being noticed :D, and I'm not trying to sway anyone's minds into liking an episode they hate. I simply ask that while I understand your upset over the lack of Frankie/Mac spotlight action, don't let that taint the episode.

Enjoy it for what it is with a free and open mind. I do the same thing whenever I go see a new movie or a new cartoon series, I don't come in with a negative attitude unless the show or movie itself gives me reason to be negative.

[Voxxyn]

Mr. M,

The thing is, it wasn't TV.com(a place edited by the fans, and thus can sometimes be inaccurate) that proposed the whole Mac/Frankie thing. It was CartoonNetwork.com, which is supposed to be the OFFICIAL SOURCE. It said OUTRIGHTLY that "it's up to Mac and Frankie to thwart his evil plans and take back the house", as if they would be the clear focus.

THEY LIED. And that, quite frankly, upsets me. Not only because I was personally hoping that Mac and Frankie would get a chance to truly shine for once; but also because it doesn't say much good when a major legitimate corporation like Cartoon Network can do that and get away with it completely.

I enjoyed the episode very much, don't get me wrong. But it doesn't change the fact that I'm feeling a little betrayed by what was supposed to be an OFFICIAL SOURCE.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Well in that regards, I for one didn't look at the Cartoon Network official page. I don't really like to plan out what's to be expected and usually like to be surprised. While it would have been nice to see those 2 shine, again, I'm not one to look ahead and sneak a peek.

If CN lied then shame on them, but for the most part I'm not really mad at them simply due to the fact I didn't rely on that to give me a basis. i hope that makes sense. But I can understand your anger, just saying that me being the way that i am, I never really had this kind of a problem.

That's why I'm trying to keep honest reactions towards the episodes seperate from people's obvious negative reactions to feeling "gipped" out of the official description so to speak. That's all.

[Cassini90125]

Glad my words are being noticed :D, and I'm not trying to sway anyone's minds into liking an episode they hate. I simply ask that while I understand your upset over the lack of Frankie/Mac spotlight action, don't let that taint the episode.

I understand that, and I don't hate the episode. The only ep that I hate - never mind, we all know where I'm going with that. ;)

Did anyone else see any similarities between Bloo's classroom antics and those of a certain couple of Warner Brother's icons? I couldn't help but think about Bugs and Daffy while Bloo was bouncing around. :D

[Mr. Marshmallow]

Bloo did seem alot like Daffy duck, a few people have noticed that as well and I actually thought he was great pissing off the teacher and just bouncing around like a crazy idiot. Wilt being so careless about being a flag was also funny.

Leave it to Wilt be to okay with being used heh. And being the natural perv that i am :P I couldn't help but notice Frankie in a night gown when Mac brought Moose and Little Lincoln back.

Not surprisingly.....she's still hot!

[pitbulllady]

I guess I can be glad I didn't read the Cartoon Network thingie in much detail this time, since I was not expecting Mac and Frankie to team up and save the day, though I would have expected Mac to try and right a situation that he caused, albeit inadvertently.

I can see the issue, though, with the selling of the Imaginary Friends, the forcing them to work for nothing, and the overcrowding in the house. In that respect, they were being treated just like slaves, and therein lies the irony. The REAL Abraham Lincoln, through his Emancipation Proclamation, FREED all the human slaves in the US, while this Lincoln turned other Imaginary Friends into slaves, for his own profit!

One thing that this episode DOES show, though, is that Imaginary Friends are far from being just extensions of a child's personality and thoughts, and that they are not all childlike, not at all! Little Lincoln surely did not pick up the idea of selling other Imaginary Friends, taking over an old lady's house and fortune, and turning it into a gambling casino from some elementary school kid, and his reaction to that bikini-clad lady on the ballpoint pen was FAR from childlike and innocent!

pitbulllady

[bloonuggets]

And the screencaps will be up by the end of the weekend, Spark?

[CG]

And the screencaps will be up by the end of the weekend, Spark?

They'll be up when she can do them, bloonuggets. One time it took her much longer to get screengrabs up.

[lucyrocks73]

Well... I sort of half watched it... I taped it on the ReplayTv (a TiVo-esque thing) though, so I'll fully analyze it tomorrow. I'd watch it now, but my little brother is glued to the TV because of the SpongeBob movie.

I MISSED THE MUSICAL NUMBER!!! Anyone who knows me can say that is the first of ANYTHING. I also missed the Lightning McQueen cameo... I'll look for that...

From what I DID pay attention to, it was an okay episode. The closet. Ha.

Everything happens in a closet, I swear. Ha.

I always knew that Mac's big heart would be out to get him some day...

And no Goo (as much as I love her, I needed a break... I hate when they overuse her...), which made me happy. Next week's ep shall keep my eyes glued to the screen.

-Marty :goo:

[One Radical Dude]

It was a good episode, though I have to say it was a step backwards from last week's. First, what I didn't like. I, too, was anticipating this one to be more of a Mac and Frankie-centered episode (according to the description from Cartoon Network's website), and it wasn't quite there. That took a bit of enjoyment out of the episode. Also, I wish Frankie and Herriman would've put up more of a fight vs. Lincoln and Moose. Really, that's about it, though it was enough for me to lower my grade of the episode. :(

What did I like? I loved the first act quite a bit. I enjoyed Bloo's Daffy Duck-esque act in Mac's classroom, and Bloo's obsession with the video game. I really loved the musical bit in this one. It was great to hear some of the IFs use their vocal talent there. I hope to see another in the future. :) I loved Herriman's first lady line there. 8D I must that that Lincoln's design is unique and I wasn't expecting him to be so small. I also loved how Madame Foster used Lincoln at the final act of the episode. :mfoster:

Overall, this isn't a favorite episode, and I had hoped it would've been better. I have to give it a B-. One more Season Four episode left, and we have the movie coming up in a few weeks.

[montitech]

I do not think it was a LIE. However the episode description on CN was posted back at the begining of the year. mont likely before the episode was even finished.

All the friends were sold. (eccept for Boo and Mr H)
and both Mac and Frankie (seperatly) discovered that Little Lincon was Bad.
So it basically was up to Mac and Frankie to save the day. and it was unexpected that bloo actually came to save the day.

Monty:-/

Mr. M,

The thing is, it wasn't TV.com(a place edited by the fans, and thus can sometimes be inaccurate) that proposed the whole Mac/Frankie thing. It was CartoonNetwork.com, which is supposed to be the OFFICIAL SOURCE. It said OUTRIGHTLY that "it's up to Mac and Frankie to thwart his evil plans and take back the house", as if they would be the clear focus.

THEY LIED. And that, quite frankly, upsets me. Not only because I was personally hoping that Mac and Frankie would get a chance to truly shine for once; but also because it doesn't say much good when a major legitimate corporation like Cartoon Network can do that and get away with it completely.

I enjoyed the episode very much, don't get me wrong. But it doesn't change the fact that I'm feeling a little betrayed by what was supposed to be an OFFICIAL SOURCE.

[Cassini90125]

I couldn't help but notice Frankie in a night gown when Mac brought Moose and Little Lincoln back.

Not surprisingly.....she's still hot!

Yeah, I noticed that, too. Same one as in "Squeakerboxxx", I think, and the same one her Sim uses. Very hot in every case. :frankiesmile:

[Voxxyn]

Just a question: WHY are people here complaining about how Frankie and Mr. Herriman "didn't do much" to stop Lincoln and Moose?

Considering how her role in the episode didn't turn out to be as big as CN.com said, I think Frankie did everything she could to try and stop them. Were you REALLY expecting her to effortlessly take down a huge ogre like Moose on her own? It would've been awesome, and could've been plausible if we saw her using her wits and brain... but seeing as how the episode's structure turned out to be different than I and some others expected, she did the best she could.

And I thought it was hilarious how someone like Mr. Herriman COMPLETELY surrendered to them, and briefly became a maid.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

I totally buy Herriman bowing out and surrendering. He's an old fuddy duddy and someone who's stuck in the old ways of doing things. Herriman is also a neat freak and very structured, if one TINY thing goes out of order, it throws him totally off balance.

Unlike Bloo and the others, Herriman doesn't respond well to pressure and he usually breaks down when bad things happen. Like in "Camp keep a good Mac down" and "World Wide Wabbit", and of course "Crime after crime". Face it, he's no pillar of strength.

Frankie also did state she had a problem with this. You could see it on her face during the whole musical number, and she did say she doubted this during the song itself. But again realistically, this proves the whole point of how good these villains really were.

How often does Foster's run into people like these? Dylan and Berry were more like social pests or nusiances, they weren't down right rotten like these two. Little Lincoln is smart enough to think things out, and Moose did what he was IMAGINED to do.

Frankie can only do so much, and she did, there's no one in Foster's who's strong enough to beat out someone like Moose. And with everyone sold out to their jobs and left overs included just Frankie, Mac, and Herriman, it's no surprise they couldn't do a whole lot.

[CCMars]

Mr. M,

The thing is, it wasn't TV.com(a place edited by the fans, and thus can sometimes be inaccurate) that proposed the whole Mac/Frankie thing. It was CartoonNetwork.com, which is supposed to be the OFFICIAL SOURCE. It said OUTRIGHTLY that "it's up to Mac and Frankie to thwart his evil plans and take back the house", as if they would be the clear focus.

THEY LIED. And that, quite frankly, upsets me. Not only because I was personally hoping that Mac and Frankie would get a chance to truly shine for once; but also because it doesn't say much good when a major legitimate corporation like Cartoon Network can do that and get away with it completely.

I enjoyed the episode very much, don't get me wrong. But it doesn't change the fact that I'm feeling a little betrayed by what was supposed to be an OFFICIAL SOURCE.

You're over-reacting. Frankie and Mac DID have a big part in this episode. Sure, it wasn't them alone that saved the day, but they had a huge role in it nonetheless.

As for me, I honestly got bored with this episode. Abraham Lincoln and Moose made great villains, Bloo and his game were great, and the ending credits were funny (save for that little interruption by the Friday Boxheads :jk: ), but at most I think this episode was okay.

[kageri]

Wow, looks like the girl from the Deo commercial found a new gig as a pen.

This episode was pretty great, and I totally didn't expect Madame Foster's wondering if what she was doing was worthwhile. I love Madame Foster even more now.

I think Frankie and Mac got a pretty big part; Frankie did all she could, and wouldn't have been able to resolve the whole thing herself given the circumstances. They needed everyone to get involved. In a very humorous manner.

I was particularly tickled by the way Bloo was furiously playing the game and being like "eeehhhh...." whenever anyone addressed him because he sounded just like me when I'm busy.

Too bad the New Guy's not around anymore. He could've taken out Moose easily, but that would have defeated the point of the episode.

I totally missed the "Beeblebrox" gag. Shame on me.

In closing, I love Bloo intensely and I need to find opportunities to say "fuddy duddy" more often.

[One Radical Dude]

I added a poll to this topic, in case any of you want to grade the ep. I should have done this earlier. :P

[lucyrocks73]

I re-watched it (SpongeBob ended earlier than expected, so my brother finally shut up and let me watch it again).

I gave the episode a C.

Now, the overall plot/humor and stuff earned it a B in my book. Y'know what REALLY brought it down?

THE MUSICAL NUMBER!!!

Once again, I love muscial numbers. LOVE them. But this was so... random. It was a little much, therefore pushing my grade to a C.

I cracked up at the Lightning McQueen appearence, though...

-Marty :goo:

[Invader Bloo]

I give it a B, it didn't stick out with the rest of season 4 but was funny. This was Herriman's best episode IMO atleast. I'm also mad at CN.com, I wanted to see Mac & Frankie work together, oh well.:( I NEVER want to hear Madame Foster sing again, but I would love to here more FRankie & Wilt siniging!
Wilt as the flag pole was the best part of the episode.:D

[LosDosEduardos]

Whoa. Ed didn't have very many lines. His only lines were when he was singing and when he was working for his adopter.
:-/
Anyways, this episode deserves a B for a mostly-good job.

[montitech]

did anyone mention the Irony of Lincon selling IF Slaves?
thats one of several reasons I gave it an good grade

Monty :-/

[Voxxyn]

I honestly saw that coming the moment I learnt of this episode's premise.

I don't really think it's irony, as much as it is a blatant role-reversal.

[Invader Bloo]

Oh yes I felt bad for Ed, he had to be stuck with that jerky little kid.

[One Radical Dude]

Oh yes I felt bad for Ed, he had to be stuck with that jerky little kid.

She deserved a big spanking, or at least should be grounded for that kind of behaviour. Poor Ed. :-/

[bloonuggets]

I guess we'll call the pen "Dishonest Abe?" I'll soon add them to the list of secondary characters over at Wikipedia soon.

[Invader Bloo]

She deserved a big spanking, or at least should be grounded for that kind of behaviour. Poor Ed. :-/
She sorta reminds me of Angelica from Rugrats. I think there was an episode where Angelica orderd the babies to make lemonade. That part was funn though, Ed scared of a little boy,girl or friend (Cheese in praticular) is always funny.

[Sparky]

FINALLY got to see the ep, as I missed the first showing (and I'm on PST).

There was a weird glitch in the third segment where a sound byte from WWW was played over the soundtrack! :o Messed up my recording so I'll have to tape the ep again later (I still have not gotten BtB).

Anyways. So my new computer is all set up for video capture, so I got the ep not only on tape but also on my old computer *and* the new one. I'm making a movie file with the ep on the new computer now, to upload. I'm going to try Megaupload this time, I hope that's okay. But remember that besides the weird WWW thing, that the beginnings of segments 2 and 3 are clipped off. It seems that you have to start recording several seconds *before* where you actually want to start recording. :P Anyways. It's watchable.

And yes, I will work on the screencaps asap.

Oh. How did I feel about the ep. :terrsmile: Yes the song routine reminded me of the burlesque house episode of the Simpsons. And when Bloo broke into song at the end, that reminded me of the ep of Rocko's Modern Life where there was a (great) song routine about recycling. I dunno, it just remined me of that one. I thought the whole selling IFs into slavery was a great sinister plot (though you can bet if the villain IF was a parody of any non-Caucasion in history who lobbied for anti-slavery rights...um, the episode never would have been greenlighted).

I saw the red car but I didn't assume he was a reference to Lightning. I'll check that again when I do the screencaps.

[duck2k]

I was mildly amused; They could have done better. There was a cleverness in it, but the magic that's supposed to bring it out was not there. Interesting - but not a favorite::)

["C" the Dragon]

It's not bad, but it's just so cute that Wilt's a flagpole!:D So I gave it a "B".

[Nathander]

With the new poll, I gave it an A. I thought that, on a whole, it was a well scripted episode, the characters were well used, Madam Foster finally got some kind of character development, the villains were entertaining, and we got to see Herriman go into a boxing stance (or at least, an old-timey "put up your dukes and fight me" stance). I can't really complain of lack of Mac and Frankie because, well, there wasn't any, though they didn't have the role I expected.

Out of curiousity, did Moose remind anyone else of Big Billy from the Ganggreen Gang, mainly by his voice and the way he talked?

[k0ugs]

i already have the ep (as well as all the others) if you need it ;)

[Invader Bloo]

FINALLY got to see the ep, as I missed the first showing (and I'm on PST).
And when Bloo broke into song at the end, that reminded me of the ep of Rocko's Modern Life where there was a (great) song routine about recycling. I dunno, it just remined me of that one. I thought the whole selling IFs into slavery was a great sinister plot (though you can bet if the villain IF was a parody of any non-Caucasion in history who lobbied for anti-slavery rights...um, the episode never would have been greenlighted).

I saw the red car but I didn't assume he was a reference to Lightning. I'll check that again when I do the screencaps.
Your'e right Bloo singing sort of reminded me of "R-E-C-Y-C-L-E"!
Yeah, if the villian was based on a black guyor hispanic guy,etc.. it would of never happened. I personally like the guy being based on Lincon, why not Nixon? :P

I also didn't get the Lightning parody at first, mainly because he had jets & Mcqueen dosen't. I also liked the new cast of BG friends.
I noticed something,if you watch the episode on alarge screen TV Wilt isn'tr halfcut outdyring the song.

[Imaginary Light]

I liked this episode. I don't know...the premise just really interested me. And when I saw the clothes disappear off that girl on that pen I thought, "Okay...did I just see what I thought I saw?

[CG]

Eeeehhhhhhh. *wobbles hand in that 'so so' kind of way*

[Voxxyn]

I'm starting to think people should watch this episode again before making a final judgement. It was very well-plotted, and it had a LOT of details that I didn't catch until my second viewing, which greatly enhanced my enjoyment of it. And it took some MAJOR RISKS, with both Madame Foster considering her priorities in life, and I'm still a little surprised they actually allowed the dissolving effect on the model pen.

I realize I'm kinda biased as I had especially been looking forward to this episode for weeks... but I'm starting to become disheartened by some of the reactions. I think it deserves more than just some dismissive "eeeeeh" post that doesn't give any real reasons as to why you feel that way.

[One Radical Dude]

Maybe, some don't have many words to say about the episode. It's definitely more of a mixed-bag than Bloo's the Boss, as far as reviews go.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

A good bit of advice that I think EVERYONE should be aware of:

Everything is better the second time around. Movies, TV shows, episodes, you usually miss certain aspects of a show when you see it for the first time.

The second time hammers it all in and shakes away any possibly negative images you may have had when you first saw it. Trust me, it's always better in round 2.

[Cassini90125]

A good bit of advice that I think EVERYONE should be aware of:

Everything is better the second time around. Movies, TV shows, episodes, you usually miss certain aspects of a show when you see it for the first time.

The second time hammers it all in and shakes away any possibly negative images you may have had when you first saw it. Trust me, it's always better in round 2.

I trust you'll understand if there's one episode that I won't test with that theory. ;)

[Nathander]

A good bit of advice that I think EVERYONE should be aware of:

Everything is better the second time around. Movies, TV shows, episodes, you usually miss certain aspects of a show when you see it for the first time.

The second time hammers it all in and shakes away any possibly negative images you may have had when you first saw it. Trust me, it's always better in round 2.

I think that's true the majority of the time, but I think there are exceptions. This wasn't one of them, but they do exist.

I've yet to see it a second time, but the more I think of it, the more I like it. I'll admit that I wasn't totally there when I watched it (as I was laid up in bed sick), but I was there enough of the time to get everything important, the only thing my scrambled little brain being unable to keep up with being the musical number.

Something else I've been thinking about, however, was that the episode continued to show the apparent like of care the world gives towards Imaginary Friends. The only people we've really seen fully care about the welfare of Imaginary Friends has been Mac, Frankie, and Madam Foster; to the rest of the world, there merely objects and not other living beings, which is the mentality Li'l Lincoln takes advantage of. In a lot of ways, I really think that's what was making Madam Foster question whether or not what she was doing was worthwhile: though she had recognition for it, it seemed almost worthless due to the fact that she seemed to practically be the sole pillar of support abandoned friends could come to.

[One Radical Dude]

A good bit of advice that I think EVERYONE should be aware of:

Everything is better the second time around. Movies, TV shows, episodes, you usually miss certain aspects of a show when you see it for the first time.

The second time hammers it all in and shakes away any possibly negative images you may have had when you first saw it. Trust me, it's always better in round 2.

True. I can't disagree with you there. Though for this one, it still wasn't a favorite, even after the second airing. :P

[CG]

I realize I'm kinda biased as I had especially been looking forward to this episode for weeks... but I'm starting to become disheartened by some of the reactions. I think it deserves more than just some dismissive "eeeeeh" post that doesn't give any real reasons as to why you feel that way.

I shouldn't have to support what I said about the episode. It wasn't great. It wasn't bad. It was 'eh' to me and that's that. It wasn't great. But it wasn't bad either. So I didn't write an essay like some; that's just how I feel. To the point. It did nothing for me.

[BabyElephant]

My overall reaction...good, not great. I really liked the Little Lincoln character. I think part of that may have been that Lincoln is held up as such an iconic figure in the U.S. that any tweaking of him is enjoyable. Obviously, Little Lincoln and Actual Lincoln are two different things, but still...but even though I liked him, I was glad when Little Lincoln's uppance finally came.
I also have to say that the musical number wasn't all it could have been. I'm glad they did it, and I hope they do more, but for me, on a musical level, something just wasn't there. The tempo seemed a bit off, for one thing. Also, the lyrics just didn't really do much for me. Can't really explain why, but there it is. Still, pretty darn entertaining, all in all.

[taranchula]

It seems the theme for this weeks episode was: HOMAGES!

We had a homage to classic WB cartoons with Bloo playing "Daffy Duck/Bugs Bunny" to Mac's Teacher's "Elmer Fudd."

We had a homage to the "Music Man" with I'll Lincoln playing "Harold Hill" to Foster's "River City". (Even going as far as using a musical number to illustrate his point.)

We had a homage to "The Great Escape", with Mac freeing prisoners via an under ground tunnel.

We had homage to "Invader Zim" with Bloo playing the role of "Iggans" desperately looking for batteries for his handheld game system. (Good thing he didn't have Gaz on his tail, otherwise the situation would be very messy indeed.... Then again Bloo was also playing the role of Gaz during the scenes when he was totally into the game and nothing or no one else matted.)

And, We had a homage to R.Kelly's "Trapped in the Closet" video with Frankie, Mac and Mr. Herriman...."trapped in a closet".....Okay the last one is stretching things a wee bit I'll admit. 8D

Anyways I think this was a pretty good episode, nicely plotted and had it's share of "Did they just do that?!" moments.

(BTW was I the only who thought that Moose looked like the lovechild of "The Incredible Hulk and MacGyver. 8D )

[Nathander]

We had homage to "Invader Zim" with Bloo playing the role of "Iggans" desperately looking for batteries for his handheld game system. (Good thing he didn't have Gaz on his tail, otherwise the situation would be very messy indeed.... Then again Bloo was also playing the role of Gaz during the scenes when he was totally into the game and nothing or no one else matted.

No offense, but I think that's a bit of a stretch. I doubt it was a homage and more of just a "Bloo thing" with him trying to get batteries. It would be nice if that was a homage, as Gamslave 2 is one of my favorite IZ episodes, but I doubt it.

[taranchula]

No offense, but I think that's a bit of a stretch. I doubt it was a homage and more of just a "Bloo thing" with him trying to get batteries. It would be nice if that was a homage, as Gamslave 2 is one of my favorite IZ episodes, but I doubt it.


None taken, but that was the impression I got...other people's mileage may vary.

[antgirl1]

Guess what I just found out?

FRANKIE HAS A COOL SINGING VOICE!

[swarlock]

I missed this episode recently but was able to see through "other sources".

Things I liked about the episode:

Bloo running around like Daffy when he was let out of Mac's school bag
Wilt as the flag pole
Madam Foster tricking Moose and giving Lil" Lincoln what for.

Things I didn't like:

The way Mac's teacher threw The IFs in the closet. I've had teachers like that and I always got P.O.ed whenever they tore up comic books and what not in front of the students. :P

I didn't go into this expecting a Mac/Frankie thing. If that happens it will be in its own good time and not before.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

As much as I would like to say Frankie does have a great singing voice, she sang one line and had nails in her teeth at the time so I don't think we can judge that accurately antgirl. But I digress, I just got done watching it a second time and got a few things cleared up.

For one, I definitely think the song is what convinced everyone to go out and get royally screwed by Little Lincoln. Plus the fact he didn't really specify WHAT they would be doing, he mainly emphasized the aspect of being all that you can be. So it's believable people could get suckered into this.

Plus as we saw Frankie's reaction, no one had any idea they were being sold as opposed to being adopted. Wilt even said he was adopted and not realizing he was working a job. My guess is Moose took care of all the paper work and handled the fees.

Mr. Herriman's "lady" remark will remain funny no matter how many times I see this episode. But there's two things that I debate about now that I think about it. 1- someone said earlier Madame Foster attacking Moose and LL was a sign she already knew they were bad. Somehow I really doubt this.

From what I saw, she attacked them because of Moose's obvious creepy appearance mere seconds after she got knocked down in the middle of the night. As crafty as she is, I don't think she knew they were bad until the end. And 2- I also wonder if LL had this planned from the beginning.

Being stuffed back into a closet is something that obviously pisses him off to high hell. I wonder if he had just thought of taking over the house after being put into another closet, and not really planning this from the beginning. Yes he is a bad guy and a con man, but it seems odd he'd have this scoped out.

I wonder if he was put into a regular bed if he still would have wanted to bump everyone out and take over.

[Nathander]

I agree that Madam Foster probably didn't know they were bad at the beginning; her actions were merely a reaction to Moose's appearance. She most likely didn't believe they were bad until the very end, as you stated.

As for the second point, I both agree and disagree. I don't think he may have had it planned out from the get-go, and that things may have occured differently if it wasn't for the fact that he was stuffed in another closet, but I feel that an attempt by him to somehow screw Madam Foster and the inhabitants of the house would've been inevitable. Whether or not it would've been the same plan we saw him concoct in this episode or something entirely different, I have no idea of knowing, but I think his nature would almost demand it. He's a shyster and, on top of that, a shyster who obviously believes he has the right to be in command over everything in front of him and to gain some kind of benefit from it (one of the initial signs of this being the fact that he got Moose to refer to him as "Mr. President" after only what would seem like a day in that closet together). He may not have gone to the length he went to in this episode, but an eventual confrontation would almost certainly happen.

That rambling done, however, I do agree with you that he probably didn't have his whole plan scoped out immediately after arriving at Foster's; he just did it after he felt that he wasn't being given what he thought was his/what he deserved, and was merely stuffed into another closet. That's my opinion anyway

[Mr. Marshmallow]

No those are good points and I do agree his nature no doubt would have probably created a plan to do something bad anyway. I do wonder though if, like said, the closet is the one thing that bugged him into doing this. It seems to bother him more then anything else.

Now far as getting Moose to call him Mr. President, I didn't really see that as some sort of enslavement thing. I just figured Moose naturally calle him that because he IS modeled after a president and Moose assumed he was one. Little Lincoln even referred to himself as the 47th president.

I just felt weird about the closet thing since that was when we first saw his negative nature, aside from the cheating thing. We had no indication he was an ass until that closet at Foster's. I also gotta wonder now, what happens to them? Do they just get booted out or are they sent back to the classroom?

[Nathander]

That really is a good question and, as odd as this sounds, I'd almost say that, after having fulfilled their part in returning all of the money they had gotten for selling the IFs, Madam Foster would still allow them to stay in the house. They'd probably have an amazingly close eye kept on them, but I think Foster would allow them to remain there because, while they are jerks, they're also still IFs in need of a home, which she herself has stated she couldn't turn her back on. I wouldn't doubt they'd possibly be kept in some sort of solitary confinement, but I actually do think Foster would still house them.

And in a way, I kind of doubt Li'l Lincoln would actually attempt to mess with Madam Foster again after she demonstrated what he was in for if he hadn't complied with her demand of buying all the IFs back.

[Cassini90125]

I also gotta wonder now, what happens to them? Do they just get booted out or are they sent back to the classroom?

I like to think that once she understood what had happened in the classroom, Madam Foster would have had a "chat" with Mac's teacher about the incident and Lil Lincoln and Moose would have been returned to their creators.

[Vanikoro]

I liked the episode.

I think it was interesting have an evil IF and not just a run-of-the-mill jerk. I liked the musical but had trouble understanding all that they sang. Then there was was Madame Foster's punishment of Lincon.

Lastly, it had good humor, like the "First Lady" line and "Right-o, in the closet then.":bloogrin and I noticed that bloo acts just like me when I get a new video game. "Eh? Wha? Who?"8D

[LaBlooGirl]

It was a funny episode; I especially liked Bloo's antics in the classroom and his fixation on the video game. It was good to see more of Madam Foster than usual as well. But overall it was a letdown; I had been expecting and hoping for a much larger role for Frankie, one where she might get a chance to be the hero and save the day. Unfortunately, that was not the case. :(

Also, and this is unrelated to the episode itself, but those huge splash ads at the bottom of the screen make every episode much less enjoyable and CN needs to stop this revolting practice immediately. :terrence:

Now I haven't even seen this ep yet, but I have to agree on this whole-heartedly. Those FRIKKIN ADS ARE ANNOYING!!!! ARRRG! >(

Okay now that THAT is out of my system...

thanks to a stupid Comcast tech who came to do work for a neighbor on Wednesday and KNOCKED OUT MY CABLE for three frikkin days, I was unable to watch this ep and am still trying to catch a re-run.
Stupid moron.
Sorry, I had to rant there.

[billytheskink]

Finally got to watch the episode (had to tape it since I was out this weekend).
I greatly enjoyed it. Frankie had a sizable role, which is always good. I particularly enjoyed the musical number. It's nice to have an episode with a different villian. It's not Foster's at its best, but it was quite a solid episode. It narrowly lost to one joke on Class of 3000 for funniest thing on "Fridays".

Little Lincoln, Little Lin-Con, wink wink, nudge nudge...
Funny.


Guess what I just found out?

FRANKIE HAS A COOL SINGING VOICE!

That should come as no surprise, seeing as she is voiced by someone with a recording contract...

[billytheskink]

interestingly, the flag that flys at Mac's school has always appeared to be the first national flag of the Confederacy (blue field, 3 stripes). It appears the same way in this episode.

However, when Wilt is "adopted" to be the school's flag pole, he is flying a more proper stylized American flag, with stars and more than 3 stripes.

Just something I noticed while rewatching this thing today.

[bloonuggets]

Ummm...Sparky.

Screenshots? Hello? Where are they?

[CCMars]

Ummm...Sparky.

Screenshots? Hello? Where are they?

It's possible she may not have had the time or the resources to do them. Be patient, she'll get them up eventually. :)

[One Radical Dude]

I really had hoped that you wouldn't do that, bloonuggets. Your comments are nothing but rude. Sparky doesn't live here 24/7. She does have other matters to deal with, besides dealing with this site. Next week isn't gonna get much easier, I'm afraid. Give her some time, man.

[Sparky]

Ummm...Sparky.

Screenshots? Hello? Where are they?

Wow...you suck. :jk: I've explained elsewhere that I was working on getting my new computer figured out so I could take the screengrabs on there instead and get much better results. Well they're up now, if it pleases you. :P Next time you have a problem with me or my site, try taking it to PM or email. Its called diplomacy.

[bloonuggets]

Sorry. Didin't notice.

[InsaneFan]

Um...Not sure how to rate this episode. It had some cute points, like the Bloo/Daffy and Wilt/flagpole scenes, but it's not one of the episodes that I'll watch a thousand times over and not get tired of. =P

Ha, yah, the "BATTERIES!!!" part made me think of Gameslave 2, but I dun think it was an homage.

Hm...I'll go with a B, since I didn't hate it(well, I dun hate any Foster's episodes, but still), and the plot was all right. And the showtune was catchy. ^^

OH, and seeing Madame Foster as something other than invinicble kinda scared me.

[some guy you dont know]

Um...Not sure how to rate this episode. It had some cute points, like the Bloo/Daffy and Wilt/flagpole scenes, but it's not one of the episodes that I'll watch a thousand times over and not get tired of. =P

Ha, yah, the "BATTERIES!!!" part made me think of Gameslave 2, but I dun think it was an homage.

Hm...I'll go with a B, since I didn't hate it(well, I dun hate any Foster's episodes, but still), and the plot was all right. And the showtune was catchy. ^^

OH, and seeing Madame Foster as something other than invinicble kinda scared me.

lol didnt think of the whole gameslave 2 thing. yeah b too. it was funny, but not the best. that thing with madame foster around the end was kinda funny, but my favorite part was the wilt being a flagpole thing. and because of my simple little mind, i now think abe lincon is pure evil. and hangs around in a bully's shirt. but thats normal for me

[McGee's Jabberwock]

Best thing about this ep? TINY ABE LINCOLN!

Abe Lincoln!
I got a Lincoln log!
Abe Lincoln!
I like to feed my hog!
Abe Lincoln!
I got a Lincoln log!
Abe Lincoln!
I'm on a penny!

[The bloo]

Bloo didnt play a really big role so i give it a c

[X-Cheese-fangirl-x]

That episode was really, really weird. I don't understand it (Sorry, I'm British) except the song was good, and XD with Bloo playing that game during the song!

[Mr. Marshmallow]

In all honesty, I'm surprised people feel "weird" about this episode. I really enjoyed it, I barely had any problems or beefs with it and I find it ALOT mroe tolerable to rewatch then "Make Believe it or not".

The only thing that just felt off was the song because it felt out of tune at times and not everyone sang so well either. But other then that, I REALLY enjoyed this episode.

[Invader Bloo]

Eh, I feel iffy on this one like "Bloo's Brothers", "I Only Have Surprise For You"...etc..

[kageri]

In all honesty, I'm surprised people feel "weird" about this episode. I really enjoyed it, I barely had any problems or beefs with it and I find it ALOT mroe tolerable to rewatch then "Make Believe it or not".

The only thing that just felt off was the song because it felt out of tune at times and not everyone sang so well either. But other then that, I REALLY enjoyed this episode.

Yeah, this one was a bit more structured and less bizarre and disjointed than MBIoN, which sort of felt like a Foster's episode you'd dream about or some kind of fanfic. Not that it was bad, it just felt weird. But EC pretty much felt like a typical episode of Foster's, if there is such a thing.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

I think disjointed is the right word for MBION. The episode has the same thing in common with EC that I found the most interesting and most enjoyable fact: they had a REAL problem, a serious, villain, critical situation. Not some minor goofy problem like finding Ivan's kid or getting locked outside of the house.

This was a seriously dangerous situation, they were gonna lose their house to an imaginary friend they took in who suckered, tricked, and conned right out of their own home. Where as the Space nutboogies and the whole "foster physics" thing made it kind of hard to watch because it was so completely bizarre.

This wasn't that complicated to understand, and I loved the idea of using one of our favorite and most famous presidents as the face for the villain.

[kageri]

I think disjointed is the right word for MBION. The episode has the same thing in common with EC that I found the most interesting and most enjoyable fact: they had a REAL problem, a serious, villain, critical situation. Not some minor goofy problem like finding Ivan's kid or getting locked outside of the house.

This was a seriously dangerous situation, they were gonna lose their house to an imaginary friend they took in who suckered, tricked, and conned right out of their own home. Where as the Space nutboogies and the whole "foster physics" thing made it kind of hard to watch because it was so completely bizarre.

This wasn't that complicated to understand, and I loved the idea of using one of our favorite and most famous presidents as the face for the villain.

Agreed. EC had an actual problem that was the basis for the story and MBION was kind of all over the place. Although I'm not sure what made them decide to make Li'l Lincoln a pen, but hey, it worked.

[Cassini90125]

Although I'm not sure what made them decide to make Li'l Lincoln a pen, but hey, it worked.

I'd guess that as a pen he'd be small and easily overlooked, so he was easy to sneak into class.

[Partymember]

Did anyone catch Frankie saying "i'm still not convinced" during the musical #? So smart..........(sighs)

The girl-pen gag was funny, but the episode wasn't that great.

Pitbulllady; kids brought .45's to school!?! My gosh, we have dimebags and switchblades at my school, under 100 kids in my grade so its pretty small. Guns in school would scare the HECK out of me. One kid in a neighbooring school got caught with a chincy "pirate" knife (long and scary-looking but cheap) and, i kid you not, a WW2 HAND GRENADE in his backpack just yesterday!!!!!!!!!! The thing was all rusty and it looked like the spoon had broken off at some point, but the thing was still live...SCARY! A hand grenade in school!

[Mr. Marshmallow]

I just got done watching bits and pieces of this episode and I noticed something interesting that I don't know if this issue was addressed before. I think Little Lincoln was just imagined up like yesterday or that very day.

The teacher said it was an american presidents test, so that must be why he was imagined as a pen sized lincoln, to be small enough and knowledgable enough to cheat for the kid on the test.

[taranchula]

Plus having Little Lincoln be a pen, led to one of the more unique ways of giving a villian his comeuppance.

["C" the Dragon]

Pitbulllady; kids brought .45's to school!?! My gosh, we have dimebags and switchblades at my school, under 100 kids in my grade so its pretty small. Guns in school would scare the HECK out of me. One kid in a neighbooring school got caught with a chincy "pirate" knife (long and scary-looking but cheap) and, i kid you not, a WW2 HAND GRENADE in his backpack just yesterday!!!!!!!!!! The thing was all rusty and it looked like the spoon had broken off at some point, but the thing was still live...SCARY! A hand grenade in school!

What were kids thinking these days?!?!:wiltshock:

[Partymember]

the cops said they found his weapons because another kid went to the nurse and passed out after the grenade guy had given the kid a dozen Ambien pills! They found the weapons when they searched his locer for drugs. WIERD!!!

[Sparky]

Okay, excuse me, but can we not talk about school violence in here please?? -_-

[One Radical Dude]

Yeah, guys, please stay on topic. No talk of school violence.

[Voxxyn]

OK... I need to say something.

A lot of people didn't like "Emancipation Complication". I myself had some mixed feelings at first(You already know why), and then I made a slightly heated response as I began to warm up to it. Now that I feel at ease, I think I can finally give my proper thoughts on it.

I liked it. It was fun and entertaining to me; I'm actually one of the few A's on the poll. It's not a masterpiece like "Good Wilt Hunting" or "Squeeze the Day" or "Bloo's the Boss", but it was still well-done and a further step in the right direction after the nearly fatal mistakes in Season 3. With this and the superb "Boss", Darrick Bachman is already one of my favorite Foster's writers right up there with Lauren Faust, and I really hope we'll get to see more episodes penned by him in Season 5 and onwards.

I can somewhat understanding the misgivings other people have towards this ep. The first act(Mac and Bloo rescuing Lil' Lincoln/Moose and bringing them to a crowded Foster's) WAS slow at least compared to the slambang "hook you from the first second" openings that Foster's episodes usually have, though it also had some funny bits and highlights. Most of the second act had some good moments as well, but I do feel that the song could've been better and, hopefully, that will improve for the upcoming music-heavy episode in Season 5.

However, in my view: beginning with Frankie's realization and confrontation with Lil' Lincoln, and all the way through the third and final act, the episode becomes amazing and even superb. The climax was very exciting, filled with so many clever parts and simple-yet-hilarious bits--Lil' Lincoln mixed in with ordinary pens, Mr. Herriman's nanny transformation and 'first lady' line, the outcome of Bloo's game addiction, Lincoln's punishment at the hands(literally) of Madame Foster--that it makes me wonder why so many have felt so negatively about it. Yes, I said that I understand the criticisms, and I do, but I'm having a hard time comprehending how anyone could possibly dislike the sharpness and wit of the confrontation between Foster's and the evil wrongdoers. The last seven minutes of this episode are almost comparable to the last half-hour of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom - both were enormously exciting and thrilling climaxes to their respective works, despite the fact that both works don't have particularly excellent reputations in their fanbases. Yeah, that might be a slightly outrageous comparison, but that's how I'm starting to feel.

I like the character of Lil' Lincoln, his design was great and unique. I like Bloo's addiction to the video game, it became an extremely funny plot point. I like seeing Mr. Herriman get a good-sized role, since he's been largely ignored in Season 4(hopefully that will be fixed in S5). I like seeing Madame Foster NOT being completely invincible or godlike for once. I like the episode title itself, it's one of the wittiest they've come up with yet(And there are many). And, despite my original feelings of discontent, I appreciate that Frankie was still given a good role.

I don't know. It's fine to not like the episode... but I just don't understand why it's become unpopular to the point that it's become as common of a sight in "Worst episode" polls as the likes of "Imposter's"(ugh), "Europe" and "Surprise". It definitely is far from from the lowness of these atrocities.

And, honestly, if you made me choose between watching this and "Make-Believe It Or Not", I'll go with "Emancipation Complication" without a second thought, for the fact that Frankie participated in EC and was completely absent in MBION. You read that right. Without Frankie--not even for one or two scenes--the show loses a great amount of color and depth in my eyes. And unlike "The Big Leblooski" or "Infernal Slumber" which at least had a good set-up for Frankie's absence, MBION acted as if Frankie(and Madame Foster and Mr. Herriman) didn't exist, which I don't appreciate at all.

[Mr. Marshmallow]

And unlike "The Big Lebowski" or "Infernal Slumber" which at least had a good set-up for Frankie's absence, MBION acted as if Frankie(and Madame Foster and Mr. Herriman) didn't exist, which I don't appreciate at all.

Okay now I got to say something, I have been saying this ALL THE TIME! I totally pointed out that Frankie for whatever magical reason vanished during MBION and it was totally ignored so it's nice to know someone finally saw this too. It's also nice to see someone who finally understands my point on EC.

I honestly cannot for the life of my fathom why this episode is being regarded as trash and slapped with a "worst" sticker around it. This was probably by far the most innovative episode I've SEEN in Foster's. The whole plot and set up with a villain like Little Lincoln was incredibly clever stuff.

I loved this episode and it's in my top 5 favorite episodes of Foster's, yet during all the discussions or mentionings of this episode, I have yet to see anyone make a valid point on why this episode is "bad". And by that I mean BEFORE Vox's remark. Only thing that really bugged me was the song.

It seemed out of tune and didn't really have a catchy or fresh, merry sing along feel to it, which is odd because cartoons (even Simpsons and Family Guy) excel in this area. But I enjoyed everything here: Bloo's video game addiction, Madame Foster chewing Lincoln at the end, "first lady" of course.

I seriously don't understand what was so bad about this episode, I can name like 20 things that bugged the hell out of me in MBION and yet it's praised very highly. I understand people have different tastes in episodes, but this just confuses me because I've never heard any solid reasons for back lashing it.

I even liked the scene where Frankie tried to talk reason into Lincoln, failed, and got stuffed in a closet. Why, why would a Frankie fan enjoy that? Because it showed how different this episode was, how clever and creative the creators used a famous and honorable president and made him evil.

His appearance, his attitude, even how he tricked the friends into being sold out, it was all very fresh and creative stuff. Lincoln is probably the best villain characters they've had since Berry, considering Terrance and Duchess have been almost completely phased out of the show as of recently.

But from the beginning stuff in class to Foster chewing Lincoln's noggin like candy, I loved this episode, I can easily rewatch it like 5 times and still enjoy it. There's not many Foster episodes I honestly feel that way towards, I think anyone who thinks badly of this episode should give it a second watching.

[moonpony]

The differing opinions here are fascinating. I just HATED Emancipation Complication. Little Lincoln was one heck of a clever IF, but the SL just didn't sit right with me. I'm not a fan of Moose at ALL.

Bloo channeling Daffy Duck while in the backpack was the best part, IMO.

[cartman414]

I must have been the only one who liked the song. It definitely had a fun little chorus.

[antgirl1]

I must have been the only one who liked the song. It definitely had a fun little chorus.

You're not alone. I want to know the lyrics by heart. XD